The War and Treaty’s Michael and Tanya Trotter grew up in Cleveland, Ohio, and Washington, DC, respectively, but both have family roots in the South. They also grew up in the musical traditions of their churches – Tanya in the Black Baptist Church and Michael in the Seventh Day Adventist Church – where they learned the power of song to move people. After becoming a father at a very young age, Michael eventually joined the armed forces and served in Iraq and Germany, where he took up songwriting as a way of dealing with his experiences there. Meanwhile Tanya embarked on a singing and acting career after a breakthrough appearance in Sister Act 2 alongside Whoopi Goldberg and Lauryn Hill. Now, after a long and sometimes traumatic journey, Michael and Tanya are married, touring, winning all sorts of awards, and set to release their fifth album together, and their fourth as The War and Treaty. Sid talks to Michael and Tanya about the new record, Plus One , as well as their collaboration with Miranda Lambert, what it was like to record at FAME studios in Muscle Shoals, and how they’re blending country, soul, gospel, and R&B. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices…
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Spiraling with Katie Dalebout and Serena Wolf
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Spiraling is an “optimistic” anxiety podcast. Co-hosts Katie Dalebout and Serena Wolf have candid conversations about how anxiety affects their lives and share how they’re managing it. In each episode, two anxious friends share what they’re spiraling about that week—from awkward interactions to business decisions and how to treat an unfortunate chest zit—followed by a deep-dive into different facets of anxiety and anxiety management. Filled with heart, insight, and an appropriate amount of p ...
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Episode 9- Stilll Social Media Spiraling...
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1:06:58Turns out, we still occasionally spiral about social media, so yet again this year we made an annual social media episode. In it we discuss an our individual relationship to it, how that’s evolved, how we use it socially, for work, for connection, for comparing and disappearing, and how we're managing our anxiety that comes up around it. We talk ab…
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Episode 8 - Year In Review 2023
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1:09:24Our annual episode where we reflect on the year that just ended and unpack our recurring spirals, highs, and themes of 2023. We talked about the areas where we changed, where we stayed the same, what we're proud of, and what we learned from it all in 2023. Happy New Year! Sign up for Serena's cooking classes Find Serena on the Web | Instagram Find …
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Episode 7 - 'Tis the Season to Spiral ...Again
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1:25:18This week our annual holiday episode. The holidays are often a time for heightened emotions, obligations, perhaps travel, hosting, gifting, nostalgia, and general busyness--making them a season for anxiety to run high. So every year we debrief on our seasonal anxiety and the management tools, tips, and ideas that have helped us and hope will help u…
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Episode 6: Aging, Vanity, Bodies...Oh My!
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1:17:52In this episode Katie and Serena discuss the emotional ups, downs, and spirals that come from getting older, experiencing physical pain, noticing our bodies changing in various ways. We get into seeing photos taken of ourselves, the gendered double standard of aging, vanity, beauty standards, other people’s perception of our appearance, wha helps u…
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Episode 5: Take a Break!
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51:10In this episode Katie and Serena discuss the importance of rest. We discuss the benefits of taking breaks to improve our health, happiness, and productivity, while also touching on the surprising difficulty of committing to rest. More on how to set goals and reframe resolutions in the self-study reframe your resolutions journaling workshop Sign up …
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Episode 4: "No Regrets!" (PSYCH.)
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1:08:27In this episode Katie and Serena discuss one of their biggest anxiety triggers: regret… We get into the overlapping angst of regret and guilt, discuss the lingering effects of regret, and touch on how we tend to navigate regret-induced anxiety with it ourselves and with those closest to us. -Find Serena on the Web | Instagram -Find Katie on the Web…
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Episode 3: Move On as Quickly as Possible
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1:21:14Move on as Quickly as Possible– In this episode Katie and Serena discuss the anxiety aftermath of a work mistake. We get into the complicated feelings surrounding disappointing oneself and coworkers, the propensity to over apologize, and tools to move forward more quickly and prevent similar errors in the future. -Find Serena on the Web | Instagram…
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Episode 2: The Messy Middle
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55:55This week we get into how stress and being “in process” affect anxiety. On feeling stagnant, losing your creative mojo, worrying about being behind, and how perspective is the ultimate reframe. Cheers to your next existential crisis! Let us know if you listened! : ) It's so great to be back -Find Serena on the Web | Instagram -Find Katie on the Web…
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Season 5 (!!) Welcome back! Reintroduction Q & A!
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1:02:10We're back,for our annual reintroduction episode, for season 5 (!!!). We do our traditional first episode of the season where we introduce ourselves by asking each other fun questions including an update on favorite drinks, a deep dive on snacks, what we'd be if we had to change careers today, biggest anxiety trigger, and the most important one: so…
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Just checking in…Q&A while we prep season 5!
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1:16:45We're just checking in while we’re working on season 5. We’re really excited to be back officially soon but in the meantime we’re here to tackle some of the questions you submitted. It was fun to talk about each one and we hope this q and q episode is helpful to the Spiraling community and look forward to being fully back in September with a brand …
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Still Social Media Spiraling -Season 4 Finale
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1:39:40We're still occasionally spiraling about social media, so yet again this year we made an annual social media episode. In it we discuss an our individual relationship to it, how we use it for work, for connection, for comparing and disappearing, and how we're managing our anxiety that comes up around it. We talk about both using it as a consumer and…
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2022 Year in Review
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1:17:22This week we do our annual year in review, unpacking our themes, spirals, high, higher, and highest of the year. We talked about areas we think we learned from, how we change, stayed the same, and what we're proud of each other for in 2022. Happy New Year! -This episode is sponsored by Better Help! We love therapy! Try Better Help! https://www.bett…
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Episode 6: 'Tis the Season to Spiral
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1:12:16This week our annual holiday episode. The holidays are often a time for heightened emotions, obligations, perhaps travel, hosting, gifting, nostalgia, and general busyness--making them a season for anxiety to run high. So every year we talk about our anxiety around the holiday season and the management tools, tips, and ideas that have helped us and…
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Episode 5: In Flux: Friend Breakups, Rescheduling Plans, Embracing Uncertainty, and Moving On
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1:33:10This week we talked about being okay with changing our opinions and our goals. Living with uncertainty (things can change at any moment). Breakups/Friendships, not trying to hold on to the past, nostalgia. Prioritizing relationships that feel mutual and good, being warm over trying to be cool. Sticking to plans rather than rescheduling as an anxiet…
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Episode 4.5- Episode 4: Time Is On Our Side? Part 2 Aging: Bodies, parents, and careers
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1:12:18Part two of our conversation about navigating different timelines and expectations both from ourselves and from society. We continue the conversation about how comparing we're at to others is a recipe for spiraling and what we do that helps. This time we focus on how we thought it would be vs how it actually and get into the physical realities of t…
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Episode 4: Time Is On Our Side? Money, Having kids, Marriage, different timelines
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1:05:45This week we talked about navigating different timelines and expectations both from ourselves and from society. We spoke about how being in our 30s means considering having kids, marriage, career choices, money woes and how comparing we're at to others is a recipe for spiraling and what we do that helps. -This episode is sponsored by Better Help! W…
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We need to Talk...Or not? Communicating Anxiety in Relationships
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1:11:38This week we revisit how we talk about our anxiety with others. A topic we covered 3 years ago in season one, we update on how discussions have changed with friends/family/significant others. (i.e. Serena doesn’t talk to Logan about her anxiety much anymore.) Feeling (un)comfortable communicating about mental health. And how outside of therapy and …
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The Changing Mental Health Landscape
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1:14:01In this episode, Serena and Katie talk about our individual and the collective shifts in perception around mental health. From the perception of therapy, talking about mental health, and how this has changed collectively even since we began this show. -This episode is sponsored by Better Help! We love therapy! Try Better Help! https://www.betterhel…
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Reintroduction Q & A! Season 4 Welcome back!
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1:05:04In this episode, Serena and Katie reintroduce themselves for season 4 (!!!) of Spiraling by asking each other fun questions including an update on favorite drinks, latest anxiety coping mechanisms, favorite desserts, pump up songs, book recs, and more. -This episode is sponsored by Better Help! We love therapy! Try Better Help! https://www.betterhe…
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Year in Review- Season 3 Finale "Hold It Loosely"
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1:15:43In this final episode of season 3, review the wild year of 2021 . We covered work, relationships, mental health and more as we went through our highs and spirals of year. The big theme of it all, we noticed was not getting too attached to anything because change is inevitable, so therefore our mantra became... hold it loosely! Thank you for being w…
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The Season 3 - Q & A episode
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1:21:26In the second to last episode of this season, we answer as many of the questions we could. We talked about control, the difference between overwhelm, anxiety, and stress, triggers of anxiety and triggerless anxiety, and the super power we’d love to have. -We love therapy! Try Better Help! use code: SPIRALING -Find Serena on the Web | Instagram -Fin…
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The most wonderful time of the year? Keeping anxiety in check through the holiday highs and lows
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1:17:05It's our annual holiday special episode! We're here early in the "most wonderful time of the year" to talk about mental health before the hustle and bustle fully begins. We talk about holiday ups and downs of it including, traveling, family, melancholy, excitement, hosting, lack of routines, busyness, and more. As usual we share our spirals, laugh …
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Well That was Embarrassing… Navigating the Trigger Trio: Guilt, Shame and Embarrassment with Anxiety
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1:19:46As the last themed episode of this season, we get into the heavy topic we procrastinated until the end: guilt, shame, and embarrassment. Not our favorite feelings but ones that all bring great anxiety to us. Somehow we laughed a lot in this episode, shared our spirals, and high, higher, highest of the week. -Find Serena on the Web | Instagram -Find…
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Under Pressure: Navigating Societal Expectations (Real and Perceived) and Anxiety
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1:22:57Mentioned in this episode: Kayleen Schaefer's latest Book: But You're Still So Young Katie's Let it Out Episode with her -Find Serena on the Web | Instagram -Find Katie on the Web | Instagram | Let It Out Podcast -Sign up for Serena's cooking classes -Better Help! use code: SPIRALINGتوسط Katie Dalebout, Serena Wolf
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Let's Get Physical and Anxious
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1:04:26-Find Serena on the Web | Instagram -Find Katie on the Web | Instagram | Let It Out Podcast -Sign up for Serena's cooking classes -Better Help! use code: SPIRALINGتوسط Katie Dalebout & Serena Wolf
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Information Overload: Managing Anxiety in the Digital Age
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1:10:51Show notes: -Find Serena on the Web | Instagram -Find Katie on the Web | Instagram | Let It Out Podcast -Sign up for Serena's cooking classes -Better Help! use code: SPIRALINGتوسط Katie Dalebout & Serena Wolf
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Healthy Hedonism (à la Phoebe Lapine): Happiness and Anxiety Management
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1:02:37Show notes: -Better Help! use code: SPIRALING -Find Serena on the Web | Instagram -Find Katie on the Web | Instagram | Let It Out Podcast -Sign up for Serena's cooking classesتوسط Katie Dalebout & Serena Wolf
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What Other People Think of Us is None of Our Business: Anxiety, People Pleasing, and Fear of Judgment
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59:16Show notes: -Better Help! use code: SPIRALING -Find Serena on the Web | Instagram -Find Katie on the Web | Instagram | Let It Out Podcast -Sign up for Serena's cooking classesتوسط Katie Dalebout & Serena Wolf
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Spoon Theory - Energy Management & Anxiety
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1:15:12-Better Help! use code: SPIRALING -Find Serena on the Web | Instagram -Find Katie on the Web | Instagram | Let It Out Podcast -Join Katie's creative membership: In Process -Sign up for Serena's cooking classesتوسط Katie Dalebout & Serena Wolf
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Re-Introduction: Welcome to Season 3!
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1:16:55-Better Help! use code: SPIRALING -Find Serena on the Web | Instagram -Find Katie on the Web | Instagram | Let It Out Podcast -Join Katie's creative membership: In Process -Sign up for Serena's cooking classesتوسط Katie Dalebout & Serena Wolf
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29-Post Pandemic Spiraling
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58:47-Find Serena on the Web | Instagram -Find Katie on the Web | Instagram -Katie's online courses: the Kits -Katie's program: Creative Underdogsتوسط Katie Dalebout & Serena Wolf
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28-Bridge Season Q&A
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1:06:08- Favorite coffee alternatives: MUD\WTR | Dandy Blend -Serena's cooking classes -Katie's online courses: the Kits -Katie's program: Creative Underdogs -Find Serena on the Web | Instagram -Find Katie on the Web | Instagramتوسط Katie Dalebout & Serena Wolf
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27-Pandemic Fatigue Q&A
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1:28:27- The Idea of You by Robinne Lee (Book) - The Calm App - The One Part Podcast - The Clue App - The Big Activity Book for Anxious People by Erin Williams and Jordan Reid - Welcome Back by Mase (Song) - Hate It or Love It by 50 Cent and The Game (Song) - Binaural beats audio that Katie sent to Carolina to help her sleep -Serena's cooking classes -Kat…
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26-an anxious year in review part 2
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1:28:29-Brené on Comparative Suffering, the 50/50 Myth, and Settling the Ball -Al-Anon -Serena's cooking classes -Katie's kits -Creative Underdogs -Serena's Site -Katie's Siteتوسط Katie Dalebout & Serena Wolf
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25-an anxious year in review part 1
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1:21:58-Serena's cooking classes -Katie's kits -Creative Underdogs -Serena's Site -Katie's Siteتوسط Katie Dalebout & Serena Wolf
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24-Tidings of comfort and joy: A 2020 Christmas card from your anxious friends
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23-Feeling bad about...feeling bad. The comparative suffering episode.
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1:13:23-Serena's cooking classes -Katie's Site -Serena's Site -Katie's kits -Creative Underdogs -Brené on Comparative Suffering, the 50/50 Myth, and Settling the Ball -Erica Chidi and her video that came out right after George Floyd's death -توسط Katie Dalebout & Serena Wolf
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22-I need an extra carry-on for my anxiety: the travel anxiety episode
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1:34:22-Serena's cooking classes -Katie's Site -Serena's Site -Katie's kitsتوسط Katie Dalebout & Serena Wolf
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21-"Mirror Mirror on the wall, who's the most anxious of them all?" Navigating Vanity, Body Image, and Illness with Anxiety
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1:36:09-Episode 206 of LET IT OUT with Dr. Cybele Fishman -Episode 18 of Spiraling - Managing Setbacks -An Absolutely Remarkable Thing by Hank Green (book) -Petra Collins (photographer) -Serena's cooking classes -Katie's Site -Serena's Site -Katie's kitsتوسط Katie Dalebout & Serena Wolf
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20-"You still love me, right?": Managing anxiety in relationships—from family members to colleagues (and everyone in between)
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1:19:14-Registration for Creative Underdogs is now open! -Serena's cooking classes -The Holidays Spiraling episode -Katie's Site -Serena's Site -Katie's kitsتوسط Katie Dalebout & Serena Wolf
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19- Social [media] spiral
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18- Dust Yourself Off and Try Again: Managing Setbacks and Failure as an Anxious Human
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1:23:08-Katie's Refinery29 article -DailyMail article about Katie -Katie's Site -Serena's Site -Katie's kits -Serena's online cooking classesتوسط Katie Dalebout & Serena Wolf
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17- we can't decide on a title: Decision Making & FOMO Anxiety
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1:07:28-Serena's Less Fruit, Not Gross Smoothie -Katie's Site -Serena's Site -Katie's write kit live class -Katie's kits -Serena's online cooking classesتوسط Katie Dalebout & Serena Wolf
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16 - CH-CH-CH-CH-CHANGES! NAVIGATING TRANSITIONAL LIFE PHASES WITH ANXIETY
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1:44:15-Katie's Soothe Kit for breakups -Lenéa Sims LET IT OUT episode -The Dude Diet Dinnertime -Spiraling Social Media episode -Serena's beloved bathing suit from her spiral -Katie's Site -Serena's Site -Katie's kits -Serena's online cooking classesتوسط Katie Dalebout & Serena Wolf
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15 - Q and A bridge episode
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51:40We're not quite back with season 2 but we will be soon. In the meantime, we recorded this "bridge" episode and answered your questions. We cover: taking a spial to get out of a spiral, panic attacks, change and bracing for anxiety, and decision making. -High Frequency machine facial -Red, White & Royal Blue by Casey McQuiston -Serena's online cooki…
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14 - Time Machine to A Light Fun Q&A
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1:28:46-My essay: The Girl who cried: I'm Sorry -Katie's Site -Serena's Site -Breakups Soothe Kit & Solve Kit -bath tray -bath pillow -That's Pretty Woo - podcast made through let it [a podcast] out -Serena's new book -Katie's bookتوسط Katie Dalebout & Serena Wolf
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13 A Quarantine Check-In
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37:19From our quarantine to yours, we have a chat about how our anxiety has been so far during the pandemic. Since we last spoke, the initial shock has settled so we catch up on management tools not working, guilt, compassion, becoming resilient, and more. -Podcast Serena mentions Unlocking Us: Brené on Comparative Suffering, the 50/50 Myth, and Settlin…
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Anxiety Apocalypse, Pandemic Panic, We're back with season 2!
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1:16:09We're back earlier than expected with season 2 with a conversation about our anxiety and how we're both handling this current global moment. We hope it's supportive and comforting to you. Recording it was for us. Links: -Let [a podcast] Out --> katie's workshop for how to podcast! join now! it starts april 1 and this is the last time she's launchin…
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10 - Anxious Year in Review
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1:29:17توسط Katie Dalebout & Serena Wolf
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09 - Holidays...comfort, joy, & Anxiety! - hosting, family dymamics, overcommitting, and out tips to navigating it all
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1:04:05توسط Katie Dalebout & Serena Wolf
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