Becoming a Culture Leader with Jessica Kriegel

The Evolving Leader

In this week’s episode of The Evolving Leader, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender are in conversation with Dr Jessica Kriegel. Jessica is Chief Scientist of Workplace Culture at Culture Partners where she leads groundbreaking research, strategy and innovation alongside institutions like Stanford University. Jessica is one of the few women in her space uncovering the uncharted territories of culture and leadership. As a single parent, she is also a fierce advocate for women in the workplace and designing a job that works for you—not a job you work for.
Jessica’s groundbreaking research is detailed in her debut book “Unfairly Labeled,” a manifesto for equality and transformation in the modern workplace and disrupting the narrative that Baby Boomers and Gen Z are misaligned in the workplace. It is her mission to dispel the stereotype that unfairly labels workers today. She is also host of the podcast Culture Leaders (on which Jean Gomes was a recent guest), a show about how change catches fire for real transformation.
Referenced during this episode:
Unfairly Labeled: How Your Workplace Can Benefit From Ditching Generational Stereotypes (Wiley, 2016)
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)

The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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1. Introduction (00:00:00)

2. What is your assessment of the climate and factors shaping the mindset and culture of organisations you’re working for? (00:05:26)

3. What’s the difference between the noise and the signal? (00:06:54)

4. How do you define culture and why does it matter? (00:08:39)

5. How might an organisation better understand how their people are thinking and acting and how would you work with them? (00:11:03)

6. You have written ‘I don’t want loyal employees on my team’. Can you talk to us about that? (00:14:37)

7. Employees might feel resentment and guilt when they’re in an unhealthy relationship with a company. How do you break the cycle for leaders to stop falling into that trap? (00:17:49)

8. Where else do you see that leaders need to be more transparent? (00:20:24)

9. What other factors go into helping people care? (00:23:08)

10. Can you tell us about some of the things that you do and are most proud of in terms of operationalising this belief shift at scale? (00:27:31)

11. In your work, what is the role that emotions play in influencing how people think and act, and do leaders need to pay attention to that? (00:30:25)

12. How do you think AI is going to shape culture? (00:34:26)

13. What do you think in terms of how organisations figure out the intergenerational challenge? (00:37:04)

14. Is the real issue that older people sometimes forget what it’s like to be 25, and that’s the dynamic that is often played out, and then you look for reasons to justify that? (00:39:49)

15. What do you think are the most important mindsets that leaders need to build in the future? What do they need to lean into that they are avoiding right now? (00:42:43)

16. What’s the best way for people to contact you? (00:47:08)

17. What’s next for you? (00:47:46)