Kelly Richmond Pope - Fool Me Once: Learning From Fraudsters and Whistleblowers

How'd it Happen?

We all probably think that we know the difference between right and wrong and wouldn’t get caught up in something we aren’t supposed to be doing, but according to Kelly Richmond Pope, it can be a slippery slope. Some people get into legal trouble by starting small or by not speaking up when someone sneakily gets them involved. On this episode of the How’d It Happen Podcast, Mike and Kelly discuss the three categories of fraud perpetrators: intentional, accidental, and righteous.

Kelly wants to turn fraud upside down and allow people to see themselves in these unethical decisions. She wants to stop the language of "it's them, not me" and be more inclusive in understanding that it can be us. She explains that anyone can be talked into anything under the right circumstances and that we have a great ability to compartmentalize levels when it comes to what we will and won't do.

Dr. Kelly Richmond Pope is a nationally recognized expert in risk, forensic accounting, and white-collar crime research, and an award-winning educator, researcher, author, and award-winning documentary filmmaker. Her area of expertise lies in understanding and identifying financial fraud risk within financial statements, assessing corporate culture and compliance systems designed to confront internal control challenges. Pope's research on executive misconduct culminated in directing and producing the award-winning documentary, All the Queen's Horses which explores the largest municipal fraud in U.S. history. Pope’s TED Talk entitled "How Whistle-blowers Shape History” has been viewed over 1.6 million times.

In this episode, Mike and Kelly explore the trillion-dollar fraud industry. They discuss the power of persuasion and the importance of embracing internal whistleblowing. Learn how to recognize and prevent fraud and protect yourself from being a victim of fraud or getting involved in the wrong situation.

Key highlights:

• Fraud perpetrators: intentional, accidental, and righteous
• The problem with our culture encouraging people to mind their own business
• Different types of whistleblowers and their importance
• How to protect yourself from fraud and getting involved in unethical or illegal situations

Episode resources:

• Fool Me Once: A Fraud Experience
• Kelly’s book: Fool Me Once: Scams, Stories, and Secrets from the Trillion-Dollar Fraud Industry

Connect with Kelly Richmond Pope:

• Website: kellyrichmondpope.com
• Instagram: @kellyrpope
• LinkedIn: Kelly Richmond Pope, CPA

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