Andrew Shagrin and David Chekroun: Co-Founders of ICG at ESCP Business School in Paris

Boardroom Governance with Evan Epstein

(0:00) Intro

(3:27) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel.

(4: 14) Start of interview.

(4:56) Drew Shagrin's origin story.

(8:12) David Chekroun's origin story.

(14:15) About the Institute of Corporate Governance at ESCP Business School, based in Paris.

(19:13) The focus of ICG between students, alumni, execs, directors, investors, state representatives, judiciary, and regulators.

(24:57) Corporate purpose under French law: changed in 2019 to explicitly take into consideration E&S issues.

(27:53) Comparing ESG trends from France & EU. The G is rooted in each member state, but E&S falls under the EU green deal.

(33:50) On board diversity: differences between US, France & EU. Sources: Copé Zimmermann Law (2011), Gender Equality Index (2018): on gender pay gaps, and Rixain Act (2021).

(41:32) On State Owned Enterprises (SOEs) and the role of the state in corporate governance.

(45:46) On the role of the state in promoting tech industry (startups and scale ups). BPI.

(48:55) On employee representation in the boardroom. In France, since 2013.

(54:19) On Entreprise à Mission structures and PBCs, balancing profit with social responsibility (in AI). The Danone case.

(58:24) Challenges of corporate governance in France: share value, board composition, and stewardship. AFEP and MEDEF.

(50:38) What are the 1-3 books that have greatly influenced your life:

1. David:
   1. The World of Yesterday by Stefan Zweig (1942)
   2. Lost in Translation: A Life in a New Language by Eva Hoffman (1989)
   3. The Anatomy of Corporate Law by Reiner Kraakman (2004)
2. Drew:
   1. How Will You Measure Your Life? by Clayton Christensen (2012)

(1:03:48) Who were their mentors, and what they learned from them.

(1:06:11) Quotes they think of often or live their life by.

(1:07:22) An unusual habit or an absurd thing that they love.

(1:08:20) The living person they most admire.

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