Professor Rod Jackson on why the border bungle was actually a good thing – no, really.

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Dr Rod Jackson is a professor of epidemiology at Auckland University, so, not someone you'd expect to have been happy about the border bungles at the coronavirus quarantine and isolation facilities. But he was – and he joins the show to explain: hear him out and you might agree. He also talks about a statistical measure shedding light on the impact of the virus, and how he became a YouTube hit. Meanwhile Adam and Eugene discuss the unexpected side-effects of experimenting on your kids.

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