Build software that lasts! (Interview)

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source

After 30+ years in the software industry, Bert Hubert has experienced a lot. He founded PowerDNS, published articles for places like IETF / IEEE, and built his own parliament monitoring system. That just scratches the surface.

Recently, Bert wrote about what it takes to build software for the long term. Let’s dig in.

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Featuring:

• Bert Hubert – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
• Adam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
• Jerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X

Show Notes:

• Shifting Cyber Norms: Microsoft security POST-ing to you
• On Long Term Software Development
• Life Long Learning: Dealing With New Things
• Lawmakers use haka to protest in New Zealand’s parliament

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1. Welcome to The Changelog (00:00:00)

2. Sponsor: Retool (00:01:10)

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3. Start the show! (00:03:56)

4. Bert's first job (00:04:23)

5. "Redundant" setups (00:08:00)

6. Monitoring the Dutch parliament (00:11:49)

7. Learning in production (00:14:23)

8. MS email scanner now POSTs (00:15:18)

9. Government data formats (00:18:05)

10. New Zealand's haka protest (00:22:35)

11. Sponsor: Temporal (00:25:01)

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12. Long-term development (00:27:02)

13. Focusing on simplicity (00:35:45)

14. Sponsor: DeleteMe (00:50:33)

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15. How many deps is too many deps? (00:52:25)

16. You can't trust the network (00:56:33)

17. When dependencies go wrong (00:58:18)

18. Dependency decision tree (01:01:39)

19. Dependency selection efforts (01:03:59)

20. Dealing with new things (01:05:33)

21. Bert's invested languages (01:10:12)

22. Bert's language wish (01:13:56)

23. Don't resist the future (01:17:00)

24. AI dependency selection (01:19:36)

25. Dig in! (01:21:10)

26. Share your findings! (01:22:16)

27. Join the community! (01:23:18)

28. Connecting with Bert (01:23:34)

29. Closing thoughts and stuff (01:25:54)