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Ep 118: Pure Parts 28:28

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Each week, we discuss a different topic about Clojure and functional programming. If you have a question or topic you'd like us to discuss, tweet @clojuredesign , send an email to feedback@clojuredesign.club , or join the #clojuredesign-podcast channel on the Clojurians Slack . This week, the topic is: "parts of a pure data model" . We look at pure data models we've created and see what they have in common. Our discussion includes: How we make pure data models How to organize pure data models What are the common parts of a pure data model? What are schemas good for? How is a functional pure data model different than an object-oriented class model? How does a pure data model help with maintenance? Semantic information verses concrete operational information. What about I/O? Input and output transforms for maximizing purity Why save information that the program can't use? Selected quotes And when there's a pure data model, a pure data model is something that is both wide enough to handle an actual use case and be useful, but it's shallow enough that you can understand it and trust the function calls that it has. All of the operations on that data are in the same namespace, so it's easier to understand. I know they're predicates because they end in a question mark. All of the necessary changes and views are encapsulated in a namespace. That means the rest of your application can rely on its higher-level operations when working with the data model. These are a higher-level vocabulary for your application, instead of just Clojure core's vocabulary. Everything that can be done is all co-located in a namespace. Am I multiplying by 0.10 or 0.15? Or am I calculating a tip? One of those statements has more information. A pure data model lets you, as a programmer, think at a higher level in the rest of your application. When you think at a higher level that's trusted, it's a lower cognitive load. You can come back to the code later, read a function, and know what it means in the context of your application. In every pure data model, you have to know what the data looks like. Don't underestimate the value of being able to find places where a predicate is used. It tells you what the code cares about this situation. When you have to nuance the situation, you can look at the call sites and take them all into account. Once you've made the HTTP call, all the information about the request, the response, the body, and all that is pure data. You can do a pure transform from the domain of raw, external HTTP information into the internal domain of the pure data model. But because it's a pure function, it's a lot easier to test. All things are easier to test when they're pure. I/O is a very, very thin layer—both on the way in and the way out. Instead of mixing I/O and logic, do as much I/O as you can, at once, to get a big bag of pure information to work with. And then on the way out, do a pure transform to generate everything you need for the I/O, like the full requests. You can have a big bag of extra context that's there for you as the programmer—even though the program doesn't need it. Parts of a pure model Data tree Schema Literals (eg. initial state) Predicates Data operations Reducing function (state + event) Transforms in Transforms out Views (special kind of transform) Links "Reentrant Coding" Series Ep 114: Brand New, Again Ep 115: The Main Event Ep 116: The Main Focus Ep 117: Pure Understanding…

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Ep 117: Pure Understanding 25:13

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Each week, we discuss a different topic about Clojure and functional programming. If you have a question or topic you'd like us to discuss, tweet @clojuredesign , send an email to feedback@clojuredesign.club , or join the #clojuredesign-podcast channel on the Clojurians Slack . This week, the topic is: "pure data models" . We find a clear and pure heart in our application, unclouded by side effects. Our discussion includes: What is the heart of a Clojure application? Pure data models! What is a pure data model? Why do we use pure data models? How do they compare to object-oriented data models? Where do you put pure data models? How do you organize your code? How pure data models avoid object-oriented dependency hell. How do pure data models help you understand the codebase quickly? Why does a codebase become easier to reason about by using pure models? How do pure models fit into the overall application? How do pure models relate to state and I/O? Examples of pure models Selected quotes It's functional programming, so we're talking about pure data models! That is our core, core, core business logic. A pure data model is pure data and its pure functions. No side effects! We already have a whole set of Clojure core functions to operate on data, so why would we have functions that are associated with just this pure data? Because you want to name the operations, the predicates, and all the other things to do with this data, so that you, as a human, understand. Those functions are high-level vocabulary that you can use to think about your core model. They are business-level functions. They are super-important, serious functions. We don't like side effects, so we define an immutable data structure and functions that operate on that data. They cannot update that data. They can't change things in place. They always have to return a new version of it. At a basic level, you have functions that take the data. They give you a new data tree or find something and return it. We like having the app.model namespace. You can just go into the app/model folder and see all of the core models for the whole application. Any part of the application can have access to the model. The functions are the interface. All you can do is call functions with pure data and get pure data back. You can't mess anything up except your own copy. It's just a big pool of files that are each a cohesive data model. They're a resource to the whole application, so anything that needs to work with that data model will require it and have all the functions to work with it. With pure models, there's no surprise! In OO, the larger these object trees get, the more risk there is. Any new piece of code, in the entire codebase, has access to the giant tree of objects and can mess it up for everything else. Pure models lower your cognitive load. The lower the load is, the more your brain can focus on the actual problem. You can read the code and take it at face value because the function is 100% deterministic given its inputs. If it's a pure function, you don't have to wonder what else is happening. The model directory is an inventory of the most important things in the entire application. Here are all the things that matter. As much code as possible should be in pure models. Look at the unit tests for each pure model to understand how the application reasons and represents things. It's the very essence of the application. A lot of times in functional communities, we say "keep I/O at the edges." Imagine one of these components is like a bowl. At the first edge, there's I/O. In the middle is the pure model goodness. On the other side is I/O again. None of the I/O is hidden. That's the best part. Because I/O isn't hidden behind a function, it's easier to understand. Cognitive load is lower. You can read the code and understand it when you get back into it and you're fixing a bug. The shallower your I/O call stacks are, the easier they are to understand. Where there are side effects, you want very, very shallow call stacks, and where there are no side effects, and you can unit test very thoroughly, you don't have to worry about the call stack as much. Links "Reentrant Coding" Series Ep 114: Brand New, Again Ep 115: The Main Event Ep 116: The Main Focus Ep 029: Problem Unknown: Log Lines…

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Ep 116: The Main Focus 22:44

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Each week, we discuss a different topic about Clojure and functional programming. If you have a question or topic you'd like us to discuss, tweet @clojuredesign , send an email to feedback@clojuredesign.club , or join the #clojuredesign-podcast channel on the Clojurians Slack . This week, the topic is: "frontend matters" . We turn our attention to the frontend, and our eyes burn from the complexity. Our discussion includes: What is a Single Page Application (SPA)? The progression from static websites, to multi-page websites, to JavaScript-enhanced pages, to SPAs. Why we like SPAs. Where's the "main" for the frontend? The complexity of frontend builds. How does the frontend app start running? How does the "table of contents" concept apply on the frontend? How can you make the most important parts of the application clear? What are the most important parts of a SPA? What is the "backend of the frontend"? The asynchronous, reactive cycle that drives a SPA. Selected quotes You don't usually go into a code base just to browse it, or just to have fun. You go there with a purpose. You need to work. You need to get something done fast. We like rich frontends. We're able to do a lot more interactivity. There's less interruption when the page has to load. There are a lot of advantages to SPAs. With a SPA, it's really, really fast to switch between everything. It feels almost instantaneous because there is almost nothing to load each time. The counterpart is that a SPA is more sophisticated, so it ends up being more complicated. It's almost like a process that's running continuously. There's more code that's present in a SPA than any individual page load. From the browsers point of view, the "main" is the markup, and you have to tell it to run some code. It's just one blob of code to the browser. You can't look at that code because it's transpiled, minified JavaScript. I do think it's interesting that we've gotten several minutes into this episode, and we're still talking about how things get made into the final sausage. It's reflective of how much effort it takes to set up the JavaScript ecosystem. We make a "main.cljs" file, and that is the top of the application. It's a signpost. "Hey! Hey! Look here first!" The tab's not going to go away, so all we need to do is start up all the event listeners because JavaScript is a very event-driven language. I want "main" to be a table of contents of everything that matters in the app: the views, the routes, the URLs, browser hooks, web sockets, etc. The worst kind of "main" is no "main" at all. There are frameworks where you make a whole bunch of separate files for each of your routes. I love how many times we said the word "react" in this episode. It's all very event driven. That's just the model of the whole browser. It's the water that you swim in, so you must swim the right way in order for the application to succeed. Reactive cycle User Interaction → Event → Callback → Reactive Model → Re-Render Kinds of frontend components Navigation (eg. browser history) Router Settings State holders (eg. app state, reactive atoms) Pure models Browser integrations (eg. camera, microphone, GPS, notification API, fullscreen API) Render Links "Reentrant Coding" Series Ep 114: Brand New, Again Ep 115: The Main Event Clojure for static sites Stasis Powerpack ClojureScript for frontends shadow-cljs Figwheel Reagent…

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Ep 115: The Main Event 28:42

1 year پیش28:42

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Each week, we discuss a different topic about Clojure and functional programming. If you have a question or topic you'd like us to discuss, tweet @clojuredesign , send an email to feedback@clojuredesign.club , or join the #clojuredesign-podcast channel on the Clojurians Slack . This week, the topic is: "the main function" . We look for a suitable place to dig into the code and find an entry point. Our discussion includes: We're diving into a Clojure project. Where should we start? First up: the backend. Why start with the code? Why is "main" so important? What's the problem with lots of entry points? What should a good "main" do? How does a good "main" help you find things? What is a good component system? The difficulty of understanding inter-component dependencies. What is a "table of contents" for your program? Random access reading. What are common kinds of components? What is a pure model? How do pure parts and side-effecting parts all come together? Selected quotes Be friendly to people that come into your code base. I didn't trust myself as much as I should. "You just start at the top and write from the top to the bottom." "That's how I code everything. It's just one really large file." So all parts of your code are reachable from "main"—or should be. A great "main" is where you can see all the major parts of the application and how they fit together with each other. A terrible "main" is a system that doesn't have any "main" at all! It has a thousand different entry points that are all over the place. A great "main" is very compact. You can scan it. It's a very high level recipe of what's going on. Component has a system map. You can just look at the data structure and see all of the different components—the major players. The alternative is components that declare dependencies on each other. It's a kind of nightmare. Everything running independently, calling or referencing each other. What's using what? What's calling what? How does information flow through? When dependency information gets spread all over the place, you have to go to all the different places to even understand what you need. Having it all in one place is essential for understanding. It really helps when you can see the interdependency between things really easily. Each component should only get what it actually needs. It shouldn't just get the whole map of every dependency. Common kinds of components: shared resources, integrations in, integrations out, pure models, state holders, and amalgamations. It all comes together in the amalgamations. Pure models are the core of the application. They are higher level than just data manipulation. All of the actual nuts and bolts is in the pure models, and that makes the components relatively light. The goal is to make the pure model as fat as possible without introducing any non-determinism, AKA side effects. Amalgamations: it's where the "in", the "out", and the pure model all come together—where the real work gets done. The amalgamation components end up being at the middle of the application. They're a kind of orchestrator. Common kinds of components shared resources integrations in integrations out state holders pure models amalgamations Links Component Ep 097: Application of Composition . We discuss having table-of-contents style sections in your code. It helps with finding things and forming the big picture.…

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Ep 114: Brand New, Again 16:08

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Each week, we discuss a different topic about Clojure and functional programming. If you have a question or topic you'd like us to discuss, tweet @clojuredesign , send an email to feedback@clojuredesign.club , or join the #clojuredesign-podcast channel on the Clojurians Slack . This week, the topic is: "what's old is new again" . We find ourselves staring at code for the first time—even though we wrote some of it! Our discussion includes: Christoph re-opened his own code base after 14 months! Nate joined a software team with a large, legacy code base. Why does the problem of "fresh eyes" matter so much? How is my past self going to treat me? Are the past teammates going to help me? Why you shouldn't rely on memory. What's involved in really understanding a code base in order to make a change? The frustration of being unproductive. How is an app put together? What's the flow of information? How do you really know if your code is comprehensible? Selected quotes It's always fun to start something new. You don't have to worry about all those other things from the past! I was a little nervous about that other guy who made all the code: me fourteen months ago! I wasn't sure how good of a teammate he was going to be. The word "legacy" is like a big bad word, but I feel like it should be a badge of honor! It's software that is running right now and paying your salary! You should have a reverence for code that exists and is running. At some point in time, you or a new team member, is diving into a code base with fresh eyes. It brings up so many important issues that we face as developers. We spend so much time reading code and forming mental models about what is going on. A fundamental challenge in software development is understanding, comprehending and reasoning about the code base. Comprehending and reasoning about the code is one of the primary drivers behind the "why" of a lot of the so-called "best practices" of the industry. Why do you write tests? Why do you write documentation? Why do you try to have a good design in your application? There's this constant learning that we have to do, and so try to make that easier. He moved on to better projects in the sky. We've lost him to a better project in the Cloud. He moved to a better project upstate! It's easy to say: "We have great documentation! Our code is super readable! Decoupled? Absolutely! Our pure data models? Totally comprehensible!" It's easy to say that, but you really find out if those things are true when somebody new joins the team or when you have to revisit the code after a long time. Always trying to teach someone else about your code. There's always some future person. What can we do now as we're setting up the situation for new people in the future?…

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Ep 113: Highlightify! 27:13

1 year پیش27:13

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Each week, we discuss a different topic about Clojure and functional programming. If you have a question or topic you'd like us to discuss, tweet @clojuredesign , send an email to feedback@clojuredesign.club , or join the #clojuredesign-podcast channel on the Clojurians Slack . This week, the topic is: "highlight highlights" . We highlight the highlights of the Sportify! series. Our discussion includes: Sportify: The Highlights! Why is Clojure so well suited for situated problems? Why should you work with real-world data ASAP? How does REPL-driven development move seamlessly from exploration to implementation? Don't invent your domain model, let it emerge! How do you grow the application domain? How does Clojure help facilitate bottom-up development? Why is early integration just as important as exploration? How is reliability related to frequency of use? How does pureness affect reliability? What is the think-do-assimilate pattern? Are pure functions even needed in I/O heavy applications? How do you shift a code base from imperative to pure? Why is data-centric simpler than behavior-centric? Selected quotes "Let's put it all together into one context to rule them all and in the darkness bind them!" "But we're trying to spread the light of sports highlights across the Internet!" There's nothing like actually seeing real data come from real APIs. No amount of talking to your boss or talking to the intern or reading documentation can replace what you get from touching the real-world situation. Clojure helps you figure out how to bring the pieces together because you can just run the pieces in an ad-hoc way. You can just work on each of the parts without having to unify them into some kind of global proof system that's being foisted on you by static analysis. It's like whiplash-driven development: you're moving so fast, you have to take a break just to take a breath! The bottom-up way of constructing in Clojure has two properties: you're grounded in the real world, and you're just making what you need as you go along. It's very efficient. Some of that code is going to find its way into your final working solution. You're always making progress. You're always grounded in reality. You're just building what you need as you go along. It's not wasteful. It's very iterative. Very lean. Always forward motion. If your system exploration is in Clojure, you can cross information streams a lot easier than if you're using separate tools. In Clojure, it's all data. You can just hand data back and forth. You're not only discovering the properties of each information silo you're working with, but you're discovering the properties of how that data might fit and merge together. It's a grounded, incremental process for each of the parts, but also as the parts come together. Sometimes you don't know what the final solution is going to be even though you have all the necessary parts. It's greater than the sum of its parts. It isn't until you start running things over and over more frequently that you begin to discover the smaller percentage reliability issues. The way you increase reliability is by minimizing things with side effects and maximizing things that are pure. You're learning, at every step, what point needs more reliability. The more pure data you have, the more visibility you have. The more pure functions you have, the more testability you have. So, reliability and pureness are definitely related. It is amazing how much opportunity there is to move things into pure functions. The actual fetching or querying of the thing ends up constituting a pretty small part of your application. Working with the data tends to dominate. The think-do-assimilate pattern allows you to maximize the testable surface in your application by factoring all the I/O out. You start minimizing the I/O parts because your domain has emerged. Links Sportify! series: Ep 101: Sportify! Ep 102: REPLify! Ep 103: Explorify! Ep 104: Assembleify! Ep 105: Codify! Ep 106: Robustify! Ep 107: Idempotify! Ep 108: Testify! Ep 109: Extractify! Ep 110: Contextify! Ep 111: Loopify! Ep 112: Purify!…

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Ep 112: Purify! 33:20

1 year پیش33:20

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Each week, we discuss a different topic about Clojure and functional programming. If you have a question or topic you'd like us to discuss, tweet @clojuredesign , send an email to feedback@clojuredesign.club , or join the #clojuredesign-podcast channel on the Clojurians Slack . This week, the topic is: "pure data, pure simplicity" . We loop back to our new approach and find more, and less, than we expected! Our discussion includes: Sportify reaches the end zone! How can you make software extremely reliable? How can you keep logic pure when it depends on the outcome of I/O? What is the "think, do, assimilate" pattern? What is a "context"? What information should it contain? What is an "operation"? What information should it contain? Why does "structural sharing" matter? When to use multimethods vs case statements. The benefits of reducing functions. Testing with mocks vs data. Why test with real-world data? How does minimizing I/O make your code testable, inspectable, and repeatable? How to support any process conditional. A general way to model any process. Selected quotes Let's get some Hammock Time. We're big fans of Hammock Time! We make a function for each of those: think, do, assimilate. A function to figure out the next thing, a function to do it, and a function to integrate the results back into the context. ("determine-operation", "execute-operation", and "update-context".) It's not a single point of failure! It's a single point of context. Where you have a binding in a let block, you have a key in a context map. There's a symmetry there. You can make the operation map as big, fat, and thick as you want, so "execute-operation" has 100% of everything it needs for that operation. The "determine-operation" function can decide anything because it has the full context—the full world at its disposal! Clojure has structural sharing, so all the information is cheap. We can keep a bunch of references to it in memory. We're not going to run out of memory if we keep information about every step. The "update-context" is a reducer, so we can make a series of fake results in our test and run through different scenarios using "determine-operation" and "update-context". We're able to test all of our logic in our test cases because we can just pass in different types of data. Your tests are grounded in reality. They're grounded in what has happened. We've aggressively minimized the side effects down to the tiniest thing possible! Data is inert. Mocks are not. Mocks are behavior. You can just literally copy from the exception and put it in your test. There's no need transform it. It is already useful. It's very testable. It's very inspectable. It's very repeatable. It creates a really simple overall loop. You want those I/O implementations so small and dumb that the only way to mess them up is if you're calling the wrong function or you're passing the wrong args. Once it works, it will always work, and you no longer have to test it. We need to build into context every little bit of information we need to know to make a decision. Context takes anything that is implicit and makes it 100% explicit, because you can't get data across the boundaries without putting it in the context. You have no option but to put everything in the context, so you know everything that's going on. We're in this machine, and there's no exit. We're on the freeway, and there's no off-ramp. We're in the infinite loop! How do we know we're done? How do we know we're done? Links Sportify! series: Ep 101: Sportify! Ep 102: REPLify! Ep 103: Explorify! Ep 104: Assembleify! Ep 105: Codify! Ep 106: Robustify! Ep 107: Idempotify! Ep 108: Testify! Ep 109: Extractify! Ep 110: Contextify! Ep 111: Loopify! "Hammock Driven Development" by Rich Hickey core.async Portal…

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Ep 111: Loopify! 28:54

1 year پیش28:54

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Each week, we discuss a different topic about Clojure and functional programming. If you have a question or topic you'd like us to discuss, tweet @clojuredesign , send an email to feedback@clojuredesign.club , or join the #clojuredesign-podcast channel on the Clojurians Slack . This week, the topic is: "trying again" . We throw our code in a loop, and it throws us for a loop. Our discussion includes: Sportify continues! When is it time to stop developing? How do we handle retries? What if you need to recur from catch ? How do we recover mid-process? Where should the recovery logic go? Is there a way to get all the critical context at the same level? What should you preserve across a recur ? What does it mean to be "loop native"? What is the basic structure for any automation? What is a "single application state"? Selected quotes It's a lot like having a project on a workbench. You have all of the tools and all the information laid out before you on that workbench. Nothing is tucked in a drawer or inside a cabinet. That's a very important lesson for any developer: you can always stop—at least after it's working. Nothing in the world is solved except by adding another level of abstraction. I was not expecting that level of mutation! I was expecting a Kafka log written in stone! The positive is it has everything. The negative is it has everything. We would like more loop-native code inside of our cloud-native application. Are you suggesting that just because we can, it doesn't mean we should? We're programmers! If the language lets us do it, it must be a good idea! One of the reasons why I like Clojure is because it specifically tells me that I can't do some things that are bad to do. All of the context is in one map. It has everything in it. One map to rule them all! Might this be the fabled "single application state"? We have the thinking function, the doing function, and the assimilate function. Links Sportify! series: Ep 101: Sportify! Ep 102: REPLify! Ep 103: Explorify! Ep 104: Assembleify! Ep 105: Codify! Ep 106: Robustify! Ep 107: Idempotify! Ep 108: Testify! Ep 109: Extractify! Ep 110: Contextify!…

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Ep 110: Contextify! 23:22

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Each week, we discuss a different topic about Clojure and functional programming. If you have a question or topic you'd like us to discuss, tweet @clojuredesign , send an email to feedback@clojuredesign.club , or join the #clojuredesign-podcast channel on the Clojurians Slack . This week, the topic is: "gathering debugging context" . Our downloads fail at random, but our dead program won't give us any answers. Our discussion includes: Sportify! Now, with even more exceptions! How do you know the state of the application after it has already died? Where do you catch the exception? What do you log and where? How do you get the context to where you need it? What place has all the important context? Where does the pure logic belong? How can you keep I/O functions ruthlessly simple? The beauty of fully described operations. Selected quotes We just need to fill out our support ticket and say, "Hey! Fix your service!" It couldn't possibly be our code! So there is an error happening, but what happened just before that error? It is dead. There's no way to ask it any questions. It will not give us any answers. The only way to know what the program was doing, is to know what the program was doing. If you're trying to figure out what the program was doing by reverse engineeringing it, you're going to get it wrong. I love hiding side effects with macros! That's one of my favorite things to do in Clojure! It makes me feel like I'm using Scala again! We don't want the I/O function to do any thinking of any kind. It's a grunt. We fully specify the bits it needs to know. It's 100% a boring outcome of what we passed into it. Those I/O functions end up being ruthlessly simple. They're often just one line! We remove the thinking, so we remove the information. It's not because we don't like pure functions. We put them in a place where we can have all the information in one place. We're getting to the point where our let block is getting really long really—maybe too long. We're really letting ourself go! Links Sportify! series: Ep 101: Sportify! Ep 102: REPLify! Ep 103: Explorify! Ep 104: Assembleify! Ep 105: Codify! Ep 106: Robustify! Ep 107: Idempotify! Ep 108: Testify! Ep 109: Extractify! Cognitect AWS API…

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Ep 109: Extractify! 26:35

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Each week, we discuss a different topic about Clojure and functional programming. If you have a question or topic you'd like us to discuss, tweet @clojuredesign , send an email to feedback@clojuredesign.club , or join the #clojuredesign-podcast channel on the Clojurians Slack . This week, the topic is: "separating data from I/O" . We need to test our logic, but the I/O is getting in the way. Our discussion includes: Bugs in our Clojure code? What?! You must mean Javascript. When does Hammock Time not help? How logic grows and expands. Why you should test your logic. What parts do not need testing? What's a functional approch to working with APIs? How do you separate out logic for complicated I/O sequences? I/O testing without mocks. Why do we create our own model when Java gives us a class model already? The problems of built ins. Selected quotes We're using Clojure. Everything should be perfect, right?! I love Hammock Time for figuring out hard problems, but in this case, I think we have a simple problem of testing. You got to have the right amount of celebration after all those "line crossings" and "goal scorings" and stuff. We're doing a relatively simple process: we're downloading things and compiling them together into a file. But, it's amazing just how much logic is all throughout this process. As soon as you make a process, there's always going to be people who want to do it differently! If experience is any indicator, you always need more information. One of the reasons why you test is, when you make this kind of logic change, you want to make sure that everything continues to function. You need to write tests so that when you make future changes, your old self is there sitting right next to you making sure that the old use cases are all covered, so that you only have to think about the new use cases. With REPLing, you're figuring it out. With tests, you're locking it down and making sure that you have coverage in different situations. Our biggest obstacle here is that logic and I/O are mixed up together. Wait! Wait! We want to test our code. We don't want to spend our life writing code. Did you write the mock correctly? How do you write a test for the mock? I think we need to completely pivot our approach here. The problem is that we have I/O, logic, I/O, logic, I/O, logic. We have those two things right next to each other. What we should do instead is completely invert our thinking. Let's gather information and then we can do pure logic on that data. Separate those two things. We're going to extract from those POJOs. [Groan] I've got to use these terms every now and again or else I'm going to forget them all. So we do an I/O call, collect information, and create our own internal representation. We just need a few bits of it, so we create a working representation of that. It's our representation. It's our program's way of looking at the world. Craft the different scenarios in data that represent all the real life situations we found. One of the problems of using built-ins is: what parts matter? We're accreting working information into a larger and larger context. You're setting the table with all the pieces that are defined in your working world and then creating unit tests in terms of those. The world was like, "Hold my beer!" Links Sportify! series: Ep 101: Sportify! Ep 102: REPLify! Ep 103: Explorify! Ep 104: Assembleify! Ep 105: Codify! Ep 106: Robustify! Ep 107: Idempotify! Ep 108: Testify!…

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Ep 108: Testify! 22:42

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Each week, we discuss a different topic about Clojure and functional programming. If you have a question or topic you'd like us to discuss, tweet @clojuredesign , send an email to feedback@clojuredesign.club , or join the #clojuredesign-podcast channel on the Clojurians Slack . This week, the topic is: "testing around I/O" . We start testing our code only to discover we need the whole world running first! Our discussion includes: How do you unit test an I/O heavy process? Should you be REPL-driven or test-driven? What is the REPL suited for? What are tests suited for? What do you need to know to figure out the bug? How can a purely functional language help with testing? Techniques for factoring out pure logic. What is an extraction function? What is an ingestion transform? Outside data models verses "internal" or "working" models. Code smells when working with external data. Where can you use schemas in your code? Selected quotes The tracer bullet misfires every now and again. Now you're going from a tracer bullet to a silver bullet—apparently trying to solve all the problems at once! The REPL lets you figure out the basics of the process and your own way of thinking about it and modeling it, and the tests let you start handling more and more cases. Exploration early, testing later. Are you just supposed to log everything all the time? Always run your code with a profiler attached? If you look between each I/O step, there is pure connective tissue that holds those things together. We remove the logic and leave just the I/O by itself. With pure functions, we don't have to worry about provisioning the AWS cluster for the tests to run! It's really tempting to use the external data as your working data. What is the data that this application reasons on? By creating an extractor function, you pull all of the parts that matter into a single place. It returns a map for that entity that you can reason on and schema check. We've distilled out the sea of information into a drinkable cupful. We've gone from the mountain spring to bottled water. I guess you could always take all the raw data and shove them off in an Elasticsearch instance for massive debugging later—in some super-sophisticated implementation. Not how do we accomplish it, but how do we test it? Links Sportify! series: Ep 101: Sportify! Ep 102: REPLify! Ep 103: Explorify! Ep 104: Assembleify! Ep 105: Codify! Ep 106: Robustify! Ep 107: Idempotify! Related episodes: Ep 027: Collected Context Ep 029: Problem Unknown: Log Lines…

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Ep 107: Idempotify! 31:53

1 year پیش31:53

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Each week, we discuss a different topic about Clojure and functional programming. If you have a question or topic you'd like us to discuss, tweet @clojuredesign , send an email to feedback@clojuredesign.club , or join the #clojuredesign-podcast channel on the Clojurians Slack . This week, the topic is: "handling endless errors" . We discover when giving up is the way to get ahead. Our discussion includes: Finishing up our Sportify tracer-bullet implementation. What context can you put in a file name? Tricks on working with time information. Trying to "fix" a situation vs adding more context. What is a "positive representation" of a problem? What are "fundamental" versus "derived" facts? What information tends to be more stable? What information should you try to co-locate? How do you handle resources that are not currently available? How many times should you retry? How long should you wait between retries? How do you figure that out? What is idempotency? How can it help? At what point should you stop trying to handle errors? Can you have too much automation? How can you troubleshoot intermittent problems? Selected quotes We don't need a time zone offset because we know it's in UTC! In the spirit of building up the language to meet our domain, we can write a pure function! We want a deterministic way to go from this kind of common information into all the other bits of derived information. I was really hoping that we would finally be done with the errors and we could just get a highlight clip, but yet again, the world has conspired against us to make our life difficult as a programmer! Hold on! Hold on! The first thing we should do is run our process again because maybe the error will just go away! The problem does not go away in this instance. The problem just goes back to being hidden! The frustrating thing about programming is that code will do exactly what you told it to do. Clojure is already positive about nothing, that's what we call nil , so why not be positive about bad stuff too? Now I'm personifying the function as myself! It's better to reference information by its main identifier as opposed to some derived identifier. The context is all over the place: some context in memory, some context in the file system, and some intermediate context in the imperative function. That's the last problem we encounter, right? You never know what the world's going to throw at you! Why don't we just run it again? Let's just run it again! Maybe it'll be ready now... Maybe now... Maybe it will be ready now... And then we hit another error which is: the MAM rejects us for making too many requests! How long do you wait? Should you back off? That adds a lot of complexity to the code at that level. Because adding idempotency increases the complexity of that part of the solution, we only want to add it where it's necessary. The error condition is happening right now, so let's write the code to fix it right now. That's the way automation is at some point in time: a human needs to do it. You can find yourself in a situation where you're trying to do too many automatic things. Is it really worth doing? You cannot solve every possible permutation once you're interacting with the real world. It's okay to put up the guardrails, and if I'm outside them, robot me throws up my hands and says, "Human please!" But what happens when you run it again and the clip is ready? Now your retry logic doesn't get tested. Links Sportify! series: Ep 101: Sportify! Ep 102: REPLify! Ep 103: Explorify! Ep 104: Assembleify! Ep 105: Codify! Ep 106: Robustify! Related episodes: Ep 027: Collected Context Ep 029: Problem Unknown: Log Lines…

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Ep 106: Robustify! 30:37

1 year پیش30:37

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Each week, we discuss a different topic about Clojure and functional programming. If you have a question or topic you'd like us to discuss, tweet @clojuredesign , send an email to feedback@clojuredesign.club , or join the #clojuredesign-podcast channel on the Clojurians Slack . This week, the topic is: "building up reliability" . We push our software to reach out to the real world and the real world pushes back. Our discussion includes: Progress on the Sportify implementation. How do you keep development rapid as functionality grows? How can you learn and iterate quickly as you encounter failures and edge cases? The real world vs the portrayed world. ("The map is not the territory.") How to handle configuration during development. How to handle large downloads. What to do with I/O exceptions. How do you make software reliable? Where should you invest your effort for reliability? What learning is the most important in the tracer-bullet phase? How do you handle intermediate artifacts? What are different ways to handle failure? How to work with temp files. Exception handling tips and tricks. Why "what ifs" are an appealing trap. What type systems cannot help with. Finding joy in errors and failures. Selected quotes This is very incremental. We are rapidly accreting functionality. We're bringing it together with a very interactive REPL-driven way of getting things done. There's no reason why we would ever need to modify this code ever again because everything will go smoothly! I'm sure nobody will ever change their mind on functionality and nobody will ever make a mistake in any of the other systems either! You always have to deal with the uncertainties through time, not just the uncertainties of requirements. One of the great things about this interactive REPL-driven way is that we are exploring the real world. We're not exploring somebody's documentation or somebody's article or somebody's representation of the real world. We're actually interacting with real systems, and we're looking at real data, and we're figuring out the real situation. We're not trying to make the ideal version for production. We are trying to get a fully automated solution end to end to understand all the specific situations we have to handle. That S3 function is built on a tower of abstractions. Some of those abstractions involve the network, and other ones involve other companies. There's a variety of reasons why those might fail—whether for geopolitical or network-based reasons. The human retry loop is a completely valid solution at this point in time. It's actually a valid solution for a lot of things. Every time a human has to retry (and the human being is us) we learn every time. We're learning how the systems fail, and that's just as important as the happy path. Over time, we're going to accrete more and more reliability in the system by handling more and more things. Deleting the temporary files is a return to known state. It's a pretty harsh return to known state, but it is a return to known state. The initial state of having nothing is a sound state to return to. I/O is the greatest source of failures when you're automating processes. Nobody asked your program for permission to turn off the power. The boss man says, "Make some more! Make some more!" Let's reduce the recovery time as opposed to trying to avoid the need to recover. We can convince ourselves that work is needed because we have evidence of failure over time. We're growing functionality on demand as needed. It's very lean. We're building the right software just in time. Not only are you iterating quickly, so it's not a long time between each change in each rerun, you're also building the right thing every time. It is in the realm of the world, not in the realm of what you think the world is going to do. The actual world is there. The situation we're in is the real world. It's not something that could happen or maybe happen or "what if" happened. I/O is the source of pain in our lives, but it's the source of actually making useful software, so it's worth it. Even if you're in a programming language like Haskell that tries to do proof systems around your logic for handling I/O, it still can't save you from the fact that I/O is going to blow up on you! I/O failures happen. What happens if you need to retry the retry and then retry that retry? There's only so far you can go with this imperative assembling of the application. We're letting the reality of our situation dictate where we apply our effort. We still have learning to do. Well, that was exceptionally fun! We're still having fun even though we're encountering errors. Both of those things can happen at the same time! It's just delightful to see progress. You're always feeling progress! That's a big goal: feel the wind at your back! Links Sportify! series: Ep 101: Sportify! Ep 102: REPLify! Ep 103: Explorify! Ep 104: Assembleify! Ep 105: Codify! Cognitect AWS API…

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Ep 105: Codify! 25:42

1 year پیش25:42

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Each week, we discuss a different topic about Clojure and functional programming. If you have a question or topic you'd like us to discuss, tweet @clojuredesign , send an email to feedback@clojuredesign.club , or join the #clojuredesign-podcast channel on the Clojurians Slack . This week, the topic is: "building up a solution" . We grow beyond our REPL-driven pieces toward an end-to-end solution. Our discussion includes: How to move from exploration to implementation. The overall process for Sportify highlights. How our REPL exploration set us up for implementation. What is a "tracer bullet" implementation? How is it useful? What is "imperative decomposition"? What is "imperative composition"? How to handle surprises in the data. The first code solution for an I/O-heavy process. How to build up a solution incrementally. Running and testing the intermediate process. How to visualize intermediate data. What approach is both "coding first" and "coding light"? How does Clojure allow a domain to speak for itself? Selected quotes The learning is complete. Now it's time to get to the programming! We didn't sign up to be a robot. We signed up to be a programmer. We want fighting teams. We're not going to have very many highlights if it's the Badgers versus the Doves. A tracer bullet is a minimalist solution where we try to get something working end to end. It's interesting that you would say "imperative decomposition", because in this case, we have the parts, so we are doing an imperative composition. We're putting them together. You get your learning, and you get a little bit of code out of it at the same time. Sure, that code may not be what you want to use in production, but you certainly have more actual code to work with than you did if you just opened up your database explorer and ran SQL statements. Just because it's a silver bullet doesn't mean all human intervention is no longer needed. A silver bullet has to be fired by someone! We're growing a function a piece at a time. So by naming that and giving it a function name, it makes it more readable. It helps document the information. It's like a mini language here in the let . ... It makes this process—that you're now documenting in code—a little more readable. You can launch this whole thing using a comment block! You're exploring your way toward a solution. Even though it's very imperative in this case, you're just continuing to explore your way towards the solution as you build it up. You're on your second rewrite of the code. You're not writing this code for the very first time. You're writing it for the second time, which means you're going to be picking variable names and function names better than the first time because you understand the concepts. You're not learning the concepts and writing the code at same time. Exploration was important, but this second step (of making the code again) is valuable, because you're learning what level of abstraction you want. With command line clients and browsing tools, you still learn a lot about the domain, but you don't learn a lot about how you want to represent it. It's a coding-first approach, but it's also a coding-light approach. Clojure doesn't make you model the universe in a proof system that you have to try to get right and revise and revise. Links Sportify! series: Ep 101: Sportify! Ep 102: REPLify! Ep 103: Explorify! Ep 104: Assembleify!…

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Ep 104: Assembleify! 35:03

۲ years پیش35:03

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Each week, we discuss a different topic about Clojure and functional programming. If you have a question or topic you'd like us to discuss, tweet @clojuredesign , send an email to feedback@clojuredesign.club , or join the #clojuredesign-podcast channel on the Clojurians Slack . This week, the topic is: "exploration cessation" . We realize we're done exploring when all of the pieces fall into place. Our discussion includes: We fiddle at the REPL to explore Sportify! What is random access exploration? What are you learning as you explore? How to interact with AWS and S3 Separating out operation instructions from execution Maximizing side-effect free code Handling credentials when fiddling at the REPL Visualizing data when fiddling at the REPL Practical tips on handling data in your fiddles Why use the REPL when you have command line tools? How does exploring via the REPL help you figure out the structure of your application? How do you know what to factor in your application? How to run external commands. How do you transition from exploring to application development? Why is hands-on experience with the data indespensible? What are "exploring abstractions" vs "application abstractions"? What is "data variance"? Why is it important? Selected quotes That's how I approach problems: you just keep going. Keep moving. A fiddle is like a random access REPL. A fiddle is just a file. We can put all the different bits of information—including data—in that one file. There's only one place to go back and look at when we pick up the project the next day. Well, the MAM actually doesn't store the media. I feel like we were shortchanged! It's the manager. It doesn't do the heavy lifting. When else have you seen the manager do the heavy lifting?! Will our troubles never cease?! There's constructing the request and then there's doing the request. We're here to explore. We're not here to create bike sheds with bike sheds inside. Yes! This is not the place for abstractions. We're building up enough language to help us with our exploration. Only write the functions that you need to help you learn more. As soon as you've learned enough, stop writing functions and move on. The point is to keep learning, not to keep abstracting. You can use the command line, but it's worth doing in the REPL, because you're starting to actually explore the library too. Utilitarian tends to win in the end. Things that let you get things done quickly. Those solutions are great solutions. It's good to fiddle because you can play around with it. You can write it the wrong way four times, and get those out of your system before arriving at what you want to use. The fiddle is here to help you figure it out. We were doing all this exploring, and we stumbled into doing some actual work! There's no better way to know you've arrived at the end of your exploring then when all of a sudden, the thing you're trying to do, is now finished! Over the course of your exploration, you go from exploring to doing actual work. There's no seam between the two activities. Exploring dwindles down as you know more. Your fiddle is turning into your recipe: a semi-automated way by hand. It's like you've stumbled into a working program. You're still learning as you go through the process again and again. You're always learning. You cannot overstate how important it is to experience the variance of the data by hand. You think, "Oh! I see the pattern!", and then it's example seven that blows up your pattern. Then you think, "Oh, but now I know the pattern!", and then example fifteen blows it up. You're getting a lot of direct experience with the process. That's going to help you make better abstractions for the application. You're going to learn it sometime: either now or in the future. It's better to learn it now when you're in exploring mode than later when you're on the hook and your boss is breathing down your neck! We've sent the asynchronous notification back to the work giver via the Outlook message queue. It's fun to do the first 10, but after that, you probably want the computer to do all the heavy lifting for you. Links Sportify! series: Ep 101: Sportify! Ep 102: REPLify! Ep 103: Explorify! Cognitect AWS API Amazonica ffmpeg clj-media Babashka babashka.process babashka.fs…

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Ep 103: Explorify! 32:15

۲ years پیش32:15

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Each week, we discuss a different topic about Clojure and functional programming. If you have a question or topic you'd like us to discuss, tweet @clojuredesign , send an email to feedback@clojuredesign.club , or join the #clojuredesign-podcast channel on the Clojurians Slack . This week, the topic is: "exploring new data and APIs" . We peruse APIs to uncover the data hidden beneath. Our discussion includes: More exploration of Sportify! How to explore a database from the REPL. How to work with SQL rapidly. How structural editing speeds things up. Building up the vocabulary of exploration. What should the process of exploring via the REPL feel like? What is a Media Asset Manager? How do you make sense of a brand new JSON API you've never worked with? How do you work with a poorly documented API? What problems are complected for HTTP requests? How to use composition to speed up API exploration. Dealing with the non-linear nature of exploration. Saving results and experimenting with them. How can you speed up experimentation on large data sets? How to handle excessively normalized APIs. Selected quotes "This is a situated problem. It's a real-world problem. Like many real-world problems, there are parts we control and parts we don't control. We have to figure out those parts." "What do we need to know to figure out the information?" "I like to start with the way people naturally talk about these things. If you start building up your language, it helps to describe things in either the innate input the system must have or the way people talk about it." "[Honey SQL] will do all the interpolation for you. It's just wonderful! That one feature alone would be enough, but there's plenty more." "That's a great thing about Hiccup and Honey SQL and other formats that use Clojure data structures to describe things: you get the power of structural editing." "It's yet another example of building up the vocabulary of the system so that you're able to talk about it at a higher level." "Practicality is the name of the game here. Imagine you're exploring in a forest and you're trying to figure out what you want to put in your backpack to take along with you. You don't want to take a lot of heavy, complicated tools. You want to only bring along the stuff that is actually useful to you!" "You only need to build up what is necessary to keep exploring because that's the point. The point is to learn. The point isn't to pre-optimize and make the abstractions." "My activity is centered around this fiddle file as I'm exploring." "We have all this cool information, but we're not making database table highlight reels. We're making sports highlight reels in Sportify!" "How do you make sense of a brand new JSON API that you have never dealt with before?" "By using it." "This is a good opportunity to mention we have a series called 'Web of Complexity'. The title should give you a sense of what we think of HTTP in general." "The name web should already be a bad omen! We never use the name 'web' in a positive sense anywhere else." "Perfect time to use our nonlinear history, aka the fiddle!" "We've made several really composable ingredients that we're now mixing together as we're learning more about the system." "Most of my time was spent sifting through the data, not actually making the calls!" "I'm communicating to myself tomorrow, because I want to forget all this context, go home, do something else, not think about work, and come back to work and pick it all up again." "One of the benefits of using Clojure to explore is you have a full, rich programming language—one with a full syntax including comments. By doing it all in one fiddle with these comments, you can pick it up in the morning." "Our lives are nonlinear. We get interrupted. We take a break. We have the audacity to go home and not think about work!" "It's like a workbench. We're laying out our tools. We're laying out our pieces. Our fiddle file is our workbench and we leave little post-it notes on that workbench to remind us of things." Example code Here is an example that uses the Cloudflare Streams API . It requires authentication, so we want to factor that out. First, define some endpoints to work with. Create pure functions for just the part unique to each endpoint. (defn check-status-req [id] {:method :get :path id}) (defn delete-req [id] {:method :delete :path id}) Then create a function to expand the request with the "common" parts: (defn full-req [cloudflare api-req] (let [{:keys [api-key account-id]} cloudflare {:keys [method path], throw? :throw} api-req] {:async true :method method :uri (format "https://api.cloudflare.com/client/v4/accounts/%s/stream/%s" account-id path) :headers {"Authorization" (str "Bearer " api-key) "Accept" "application/json"} :throw throw?})) For the purposes of illustration, the cloudflare configuration is: (def cloudflare {:api-key "super-secret" :account-id "42424242"}) See the full request like so: (full-req cloudflare (check-status-req "abcdefg123456789")) Which returns: {:async true :method :get :uri "https://api.cloudflare.com/client/v4/accounts/42424242/stream/abcdefg123456789" :headers {"Authorization" "Bearer super-secret" "Accept" "application/json"} :throw nil} Use [babashka.http-client :as http] , and call the endpoints like so: @(http/request (full-req cloudflare (check-status-req "abcdefg123456789"))) @(http/request (full-req cloudflare (delete-req "abcdefg123456789"))) Note, that in a REPL-connected editor, you evaluate each form, so you can see just the check-status-req part, or move out one level and see the full-req part, or move out one more level and actually run it. That lets you iron out the details to make sure you have them right. Finally, you can make some helpers to use in the REPL or imperative code. The helpers stitch the process together: (defn request! [cloudflare req] (-> @(http/request (full-req cloudflare req)) (update :body #(json/parse-string % true)))) (defn check-status! [cloudflare id] (request! cloudflare (check-status-req id))) (defn delete-stream! [cloudflare id] (request! cloudflare (delete-req id))) They can be called like: (check-status! cloudflare "abcdefg123456789") (delete-stream! cloudflare "abcdefg123456789") The helpers should do nothing except compose together other parts for convenience. All the real work is in the pure functions. Links Ep 014: Fiddle with the REPL Ep 063: Web of Complexity Sportify! series: Ep 101: Sportify! Ep 102: REPLify! next.jdbc Honey SQL Babashka http-client clj-http http-kit Portal Nippy…

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Ep 102: REPLify! 28:11

۲ years پیش28:11

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Each week, we discuss a different topic about Clojure and functional programming. If you have a question or topic you'd like us to discuss, tweet @clojuredesign , send an email to feedback@clojuredesign.club , or join the #clojuredesign-podcast channel on the Clojurians Slack . This week, the topic is: "using the REPL to explore" . We find ourselves in a murky situation, so we go to our REPL-connected editor to shine some light on the details. Our discussion includes: Diving into the world of Sportify! How do you get started when diving into a new automation problem? The exact workflow we use for exploring existing systems. What is a "streaming specification"? How can the REPL help us explore? What does it mean for an editor to be REPL-connected? What is a "fiddle file"? What is a "fiddle workflow"? The first things we do when we start a brand new project. Switching from Leiningen to Clojure tools. Options for where to put your fiddle files. How to run a single Clojure file. What goes in our very first fiddle file? How do we build it up? How we handle configuration when we're fiddling. How to get connected and explore a database from a fiddle. Tips and tricks for exploring a database from a fiddle. Using defs to help work with live data. How long does it take to get started? Selected quotes: "We often want to see highlights more than we want to see the game." "Like so many things with interns, there is really low supervision, so no one's really worried about how we get it done." "Having something done is better than not, so the bar is 0." "It sounds like a natural integration with an asynchronous message queue called 'Outlook'." "I like to call it 'streaming specification'. I'm not going to tell you everything. I'm coming up with this off the top my head." "We call them situated problems. They're problems that are set in the real world, so you need to know about all the things in the real world. It's a learning problem." "You say, 'the things we can't control.' I think of it as, 'the things that are foisted upon us!'" "We're going to find a way to use Clojure to solve this problem. I bet you didn't see that coming!" "The first thing I usually do is go for the completely correct and entirely comprehensive documentation that describes all of the different use cases that I might need, and in fact, has a sample code." (Ha! If only!) "It can be said that programming is debugging an empty file." "The first bug is my application does nothing!" "You want to get to your first rewrite as fast as possible, so write the messy version first. Then you can learn what you want the next version to be—even if the next version is also messy. The sooner you learn the better." "I'm starting to build up little pieces to help me explore." "We're going to figure it out interactively, using the REPL. We're getting our bearings." "Get in the code right away—hitting an external service as soon as possible—so we can begin to learn, so that we're solving the right problem instead of some problem of our imagination." "Once it's Clojure data structures, the whole world of Clojure opens up. All the power of mixing and matching and analyzing that data is open to you." "We're getting into the real thing. We're getting real data, real code. This is going to begin to grow up into something, but for now, we just want to see what's there—begin to explore—get some working code so that we can." "It's hard to imagine the workflow, because it's not a workflow that you do in other languages. If you haven't done this before, it's hard to just imagine it." "It's not just REPL first, but REPL-connected editor first, and there's a distinction." Clojure command line If you are unfamilar with the Clojure command line, check out the Deps and CLI Guide . You can set up global aliases in $HOME/.clojure/deps.edn . For example, this is one Christoph uses: {:aliases {:nrepl {:extra-deps {nrepl/nrepl {:mvn/version "RELEASE"} cider/piggieback {:mvn/version "RELEASE"}} :jvm-opts ["-server" "-XX:MaxMetaspaceSize=256m" "-Xmx1280m"] :main-opts ["-m" "nrepl.cmdline"]}}} Run it with: clojure -M:nrepl You can see more examples in Nate's dotfiles and in Sean Corfield's dot-clojure project. Links: Ep 014: Fiddle with the REPL Use #_ to ignore the next form Projects mentioned: tmux Calva clojure-lsp Libraries mentioned: next.jdbc Honey SQL…

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Ep 101: Sportify! 17:03

۲ years پیش17:03

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Each week, we discuss a different topic about Clojure and functional programming. If you have a question or topic you'd like us to discuss, tweet @clojuredesign , send an email to feedback@clojuredesign.club , or join the #clojuredesign-podcast channel on the Clojurians Slack . This week, the topic is: "introducing Sportify!" . We tackle a new application, thinking it'll be an easy win—only to discover that our home run was a foul, and the real world is about to strike us out! Our discussion includes: Introduce a new series! Sportsball! Sportsball! Going back in time. An overview of video production workflows. What is a media asset manager? How hard could it be? What could possibly go wrong? What are all the things we'll need to handle? What is a situated problem? Does immutability matter when most of the work is I/O? Code stability in Clojure. Selected quotes: "Clojure has made our lives fun, so we want to make your lives fun." "What do people love when they're watching sporting events? They love their highlights." "This is not a business problem. This is a sports problem, and sports problems are different." "Now this is where we're reaching the edges of reality, but just hang on. Come with us." "How hard could it be?!" "What could possibly go wrong?!" "But this MAM...do you have to be polite? Can I have the video ma'am?" "We've got to do the right amount. That's the hard part: the right amount." "Is there a fraught problem that's not situated, or a situated problem that's not fraught?!" "Situated, in my mind, is useful. I don't just want to heat the room up with my computer. I want to actually get something done!"…

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Ep 100: Thanks Overflow 35:29

۲ years پیش35:29

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Each week, we discuss a different topic about Clojure and functional programming. If you have a question or topic you'd like us to discuss, tweet @clojuredesign , send an email to feedback@clojuredesign.club , or join the #clojuredesign-podcast channel on the Clojurians Slack . This week, the topic is: "thankfulness" . We reflect on Clojure, the community, and how much we have to be thankful for. Our discussion includes: It's our 100th episode!!! Why we are thankful for Clojure and the community. The podcast origin story. Long haul programming. How Clojure keeps the mental burden low. Why we love immutability. Communicating Sequential Processes. Bad programming experiences that Clojure made better. Data-centric programming. What makes Clojure simple. The horror of unstable languages. Things we love now that we never imagined. Why we love structural editing and REPL-driven development. Developer flow and productivity. What is hammock time? Why does it matter? How does Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs apply to programming? What do scissors have to do with Clojure programming? We are thankful for you!!! Selected quotes: "I guess I can classify myself as an older developer now. It doesn't feel like it, but I've been doing it for a while." "Clojure has definitely reinvigorated my joy of programming, and Clojure has allowed me to experience that joy in nontrivial programs." "It's fun to whip up a prototype, but Clojure is the first language that I've used where, when the program starts getting really big, it's still a delight to extend" "I don't think I could estimate the number of hours I have saved in debugging race conditions and crazy nondeterministic behavior, because of immutability and CSP specifically." "Back in my Java 2 Enterprise Edition days..." "Oh, there's an old wound!" "Chasing after the latest and greatest was kind of fun, until you've been burned by a couple of tech cycles." "Because Clojure is so simple, you're left alone with your problem, so most of your headspace is your problem: the thing you're trying to solve." "REPL-driven development and structural editing is an entirely different way of making a program—a process or a flow of making a program—that for me was just life changing." "The REPL is so close at hand. It makes things so fungible. You can't help but want to use it for every problem that you have." "The REPL makes programming more tactile." "Not only are you flying through execution, you're flying through editing." "The state of being that I get into in Clojure code is just so delightful! It's so enjoyable!" "It changes the way you think about programming and the way you think about editing. You don't realize that your mind is being changed until you realize that you're so different than before." "You still have the same amount of productivity, but you will have spent more time thinking about the problem, so that you're doing the right edits." "When you're fighting your code base, because it's exploding in random places, it's hard to think about bigger concerns. You're just trying to make the bugs stop already! Clojure has gotten me out of all that." "I definitely don't have the corner on all the truth in the world. That's for sure." Links: Composition Series Ep 093: Waffle Cakes (first episode) Ep 098: Composed Learnings (summary episode) Talks, Books, and Articles "Beating the Averages" by Paul Graham "Practical Vim: Edit Text at the Speed of Thought" by Drew Neil "Running With Scissors: Live Coding With Data" by Stuart Halloway. Presented at Strange Loop 2018. Clojure for the Brave and True by Daniel Higginbotham Practicalli Projects Clojure , ClojureScript Babashka clojure-lsp Conjure for Neovim Calva Los Angeles Clojure Users Group…

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Ep 099: REPL Your World 25:28

۲ years پیش25:28

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Each week, we discuss a different topic about Clojure and functional programming. If you have a question or topic you'd like us to discuss, tweet @clojuredesign , send an email to feedback@clojuredesign.club , or join the #clojuredesign-podcast channel on the Clojurians Slack . This week, the topic is: "taking the REPL beyond your application" . We free our REPL to explore and automate the world around us. Our discussion includes: What are the different ways of working with the REPL? How can you be more productive by using the REPL? What is the connected editor? How to use the REPL beside writing code for your application. What is often missing from API docs. Moving from bash to Clojure. Using the REPL for exploration. What is a "fiddle" approach to using the REPL? What is it good for? Why should you use your editor for non-coding activities? How to save time when you're stuck with manual testing. Interacting with databases. When is the REPL better than a script? How a REPL is like a bash prompt, and how it's not. What supports the supporting activities of software development? Using the REPL as your application interface. Migrating data using the REPL. Why your REPL is a natural place for difficult to access resources. Why the REPL saves you from extra coding. Selected quotes: "We share because we care." "The connected editor is an interface to productivity." "I like to call it whiplash-driven development because it's so fast that you literally have no time between when you write the code to when you execute it. You're just blown back by the productivity!" "This is a Clojure Podcast, so I bet you know where this is going." "The REPL as a window into another system." "I actually wrote the API, so I know how it should behave...but not how it does!" "Isn't that one of the goals of your programming language and experience: to spend less time doing the things that are really mundane and repetitive and more time actually doing new things?" "I don't want to just let that go into the history file. I want to save it someplace more important." "I have all of the power of Clojure before the query and then after the query. I don't have to trick psql to write that data out somewhere so I can read it in my REPL. It's already there!" "It's not that there aren't other ways to do this. That's not the point. The point is that all of a sudden you realize there's a lot of interactive exploration and processing and task automation you can do from the REPL because you don't need to write a script to do it." "You can just execute a form, and boom! It's off. It's running." "But then, I was like 'Wait, there's got to be a better way!' You know, infomercial style." "It's functional programming, so we're going to talk about composition. It'll happen." "Whoa! The REPL could be a terminal! A super powerful terminal into a vast warehouse of data, and I can slice it and dice it all sorts of different ways and discover things." "The REPL is just a way of doing structured execution very rapidly and very flexibly." "With the REPL, every function or form is a potential entry point. You can have all kinds of entry points." "The malleability of it is its power." Links: REPL Series Ep 012: Embrace the REPL Ep 013: Connect the REPL Ep 014: Fiddle with the REPL Composition Series Ep 093: Waffle Cakes (first episode) Ep 098: Composed Learnings (summary episode) Talks mentioned "Running With Scissors: Live Coding With Data" by Stuart Halloway. Presented at Strange Loop 2018. "Data Science in Clojure" by Soren Macbeth. Presented at Clojure/West 2015. Projects mentioned Nate's tabl project Nate's guide: Developing Clojure in Vim (2023 edition) Conjure for Neovim next.jdbc Honey SQL…

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Ep 098: Composed Learnings 26:12

۲ years پیش26:12

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Each week, we discuss a different topic about Clojure and functional programming. If you have a question or topic you'd like us to discuss, tweet @clojuredesign , send an email to feedback@clojuredesign.club , or join the #clojuredesign-podcast channel on the Clojurians Slack . This week, the topic is: "composition is life" . We reflect on keeping the necessary mess at the edges so our core can be composed together with beauty and simplicity. Our discussion includes: Our reflections on the episodes in this series. The best concepts from the episodes in this series. How to separate data from behavior. Why zucchini bread is at the core of functional programming. What baking has to do with functional programming. How to get objectivity for better understanding. Why you should focus on trade offs. How Clojure and immutability steer you toward composition. An inventory of different kinds of functions. Why side effects ruin composition. How Clojure lets you focus on your problem. How composition works in the small and the large. The paradox of constraints providing more freedom. The cognitive load of functional programming vs object-oriented programming. Selected quotes: "This episode we thought we would take it and put it all together." "The last draft." "Functional programming is built on composition." "Object-oriented programming tends to have at least a little bit of behavior and data together, so you can't separate them if you want to make a new thing." "If you just want classes to be one thing, just data or just methods, all of a sudden you end up with something that looks a lot like functional programming." "Constraints breed freedom and clarity. If you can't reach other functionality through data, then data will never hurt you." "It takes a while to discover what is worth separating and what's fine to leave in larger chunks." "You have to use it." "So by moving [a problem] into a separate domain, you're able to see the essentials, the fundamentals, more clearly because you're not stuck in those ruts of thinking that you do without realizing." "I've been known to eat the same thing for breakfast every day, for weeks on end." "Clojure core plus immutability really steers you in the direction of composition." "'Transforms' is a little unfair of a category because that's almost all of functional programming." "Data cake. Delicious!" "I want to do something with this data that affects the world around me besides generating heat." "Side effects ruin composition because side effects are a second dimension that is difficult to compose." "When you write functions in the way that Clojure expects them, this whole world of core opens up, and the only thing you had to implement was your the code that was relevant to your domain." "There's almost nothing to Clojure itself. Most of my time writing in Clojure is thinking about my problem--not thinking about how I'm going to express it or how I'm going to model the object graph or any of that stuff." "I'm just left thinking about my own problem." "The key in all composition is a clear delineation and separation of responsibilities." "Because they're smaller, you can understand them at a glance." "With side effects, there's an infinite number of additional dimensions that are possible. You can't just worry about what the function says it does, you have to worry about all the other things that it could be doing!" "Side effects are like really advanced politics between hostile countries. There are the words that come out of their mouth, and then there's all the stuff that really matters that no one's talking about!" "Clojure is for the peaceful." "If you like to keep all the messiness at the edges so the core of your application can be composed together with beauty and simplicity, making your day wonderful, then Clojure might be for you!" Common kinds of functions: Predicates: provide truth values Reducers: take the current "state" and an input and return a new state Transforms: broad category that covers many kinds of functions Conversions: take one kind of thing and turn it into another kind of thing eg. parse-long Extractors: return part of a data object Mergers: combine data together Decorators/enrichers: takes a data shape and adds more into it while preserving the original data shape Side effectors: affects the world in a clear and specific way Links: Ep 093: Waffle Cakes Ep 094: Concrete Composition Ep 095: Composing Core Ep 096: Gaming Data Ep 097: Application of Composition…

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Ep 097: Application of Composition 28:33

۲ years پیش28:33

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Each week, we discuss a different topic about Clojure and functional programming. If you have a question or topic you'd like us to discuss, tweet @clojuredesign , send an email to feedback@clojuredesign.club , or join the #clojuredesign-podcast channel on the Clojurians Slack . This week, the topic is: "composing your application" . We get a handle on bringing I/O resources together in an application. Our discussion includes: What is a "handle"? Why is it called that? More puns! How do you handle I/O handles? How do you keep the pure and side-effecting parts away from each other? Managing and organizing application components. What is a framework vs a library? "Injection style" vs "singleton style". How far down the call stack should handles travel? Figuring out a start-up order and a shut-down order. How obtaining a resource can negatively affect composition. Separating the knowledge of finding a resource vs using a resource. The concept of an "application index". Why all this matters for long-term maintenance. Using feature flags. The two developers on every software project. What is the "band-aid test"? Selected quotes: "If a program does a bunch of computation, but it doesn't have any I/O, did it do anything?" "Handles inherently are going to hurt you. You don't even have a hold on the whole thing. You have a little bit that you can use to to access that external system." "I visualized an axe or a knife. You have a handle, but you have to watch out for what the handle is connected to!" "In Clojure, I think of frameworks as an integration between your code and the purpose of that framework as opposed to the foundational layer that glues your whole world together." "Even in OO, it's a smell if I/O handles travel too far and wide!" "Lots of assuming!" "Sometimes ad hoc is confused with flexibility. You didn't have to think about it, so it felt flexible, but it just happened." "Composition is about being able to use things in multiple ways." "If you are accessing a singleton state from a function, you are no longer side effect free." "Why would I ever save anything anywhere other than the place the application has configured as its database?" "Have you ever had a physical "dead tree" book?" "Where are all the components?" "With the index style, you have a clear delineation of all the parts of the software and how they're connected together." "Whenever you start using a library or framework, you are hopefully solving a problem, but you're also inviting complexity in. You have to be wary of what it allows you to do, and what it allows future developers to do." "If you pull that band-aid off, how many little hairs are going to come off with it? How badly is it going to hurt?" "One of the tests of composability is the surface area of contact. More is not better!" Links: Injection style: Component + component.repl , Integrant Singleton style: redelay , mount Built on Component: system Others: donut.system , Components in Biff Ep 063: Web of Complexity Ep 067: Handling Handler's Handles Ep 093: Waffle Cakes Ep 094: Concrete Composition Ep 095: Composing Core Ep 096: Gaming Data…

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Ep 096: Gaming Data 26:39

۲ years پیش26:39

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Each week, we discuss a different topic about Clojure and functional programming. If you have a question or topic you'd like us to discuss, tweet @clojuredesign , send an email to feedback@clojuredesign.club , or join the #clojuredesign-podcast channel on the Clojurians Slack . This week, the topic is: "playing games with data." We go back to start and play through a composition strategy to see where we land. Our discussion includes: The return of Tic Tac Toe. It's back! The biggest difference between object-oriented and functional composition. Can a game board play its own pieces? Isn't that the stuff of horror films? What does it mean to be "complected"? What's more important: data or behavior? Why separate data from behavior? The simple domain of batch processing. The dark magic of hidden side effects. What lasts longer: data or your application? Representation vs operations in an information domain. Common kinds of functions. How do schemas fit in? Where does I/O fit in? Rationale for organizing your namespaces. The horror of code organization in Java. The stability of pure information models. What is language imposed complexity? Selected quotes: "It's been a few years for us, but it could have been a few days if you're really on a binge on this podcast!" "The biggest and most important difference between object-oriented programming and functional programming is the relationship between data and behavior. Functional programming keeps those separate, whereas object-oriented programming likes to mix them together into classes." "When I want to play a piece, does the board know how to play pieces onto itself? Or, does a piece know how to place itself on the board?" "You can't just have the functionality sit on its own. It has to be attached." "I arrived at a point where I thought, 'What am I doing?!'" "All kinds of different scripts that operate on the same data file don't need to know about each other at all." "I'm just going to get the name attribute from the Person object, right? You don't know. Am I getting a field, or am I getting some magical overloaded getter thingy that does a bunch of side effects?" "Data is simple, and data will almost certainly outlast your application. Often, the data that your application deals with came from somewhere else in the first place." "This reminds me of the fun abomination known as object-relational mapping where you take the data that was there before your program and you pour it somehow into your objects, then you do something with it, and then you pour it back out into the database. Why is this such a hard problem? Because it's a hard thing to do! It's something that doesn't make sense." "In OO, there are way more dimensions of potential organization, so therefore, more things for a software development team to fight over." "The only place you can put functionality in object-oriented language is attaching it to classes." "In Clojure, you don't have a lot to fight over in your bike shedding sessions." "When you're talking about which object to put it in, you're not actually talking about your problem. It's a problem that is introduced by the tool choice, not by the domain of the problem." "Because they're separated, you get reuse. You get data composition and behavioral composition as separate kinds of composition--because they don't often happen the same way." "I think the lack of reusability comes in object-oriented languages, not functional languages. Because the problem with object-oriented languages is they’ve got all this implicit environment that they carry around with them. You wanted a banana but what you got was a gorilla holding the banana and the entire jungle. If you have referentially transparent code, if you have pure functions all the data comes in its input arguments and everything goes out and leave no state behind it’s incredibly reusable." ~ Joe Armstrong in "Coders at Work" Links: "Execution in the Kingdom of Nouns" by Steve Yegge Ep 002: Tic-Tac-Toe, State in a Row Ep 093: Waffle Cakes Ep 094: Concrete Composition Ep 095: Composing Core…

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Ep 095: Composing Core 17:37

۲ years پیش17:37

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Each week, we discuss a different topic about Clojure and functional programming. If you have a question or topic you'd like us to discuss, tweet @clojuredesign , send an email to feedback@clojuredesign.club , or join the #clojuredesign-podcast channel on the Clojurians Slack . This week, the topic is: "core and composition." We venture toward the core of a solution. Our discussion includes: Why do functional programmers like to talk about composition? What composition means in object-oriented programming vs functional programming. Must simple be simplistic? What is idiomatic composition? Common kinds of functions. Why functional programming is more like Legos than taxonomies. What Clojure already knows and what you have to teach it. Why Clojure allows you to put things together quickly. Why side effects can ruin everything. How Clojure encourages composition. Selected quotes: "I don't think you want me to read code to you. That sounds like an excellent way to fall asleep if you have insomnia!" "Maybe we need a white noise track of keyboard noise." "Composition in a functional language is much simpler because we just have functions." "Why have we spent so much time talking about composition when it's just functions calling other functions?" "These names are a little on the nose, but programmers aren't always the best at originality!" "Functional programming is essentially based on transformation. Everything is a transform at some point in time." "The only way to get anything done is to return a new thing." "Core is a backbone, a spine, and you're connecting a progression of things together." "Your job, as a functional developer, is to teach Clojure core about your domain." "They're all functions that remix very well." "Everything must be pure because side effects mess up this whole world." "Make functions small because functional programming makes it very easy to combine smaller functions into bigger functions. Build up your functionality from those pieces." Links: Ep 075: Merge With Fun Ep 079: Compose Thyself Ep 093: Waffle Cakes Ep 094: Concrete Composition…

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Ep 094: Concrete Composition 15:29

۲ years پیش15:29

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Each week, we discuss a different topic about Clojure and functional programming. If you have a question or topic you'd like us to discuss, tweet @clojuredesign , send an email to feedback@clojuredesign.club , or join the #clojuredesign-podcast channel on the Clojurians Slack . This week, the topic is: "decomposition." We help our code through a breakup so it can find its true colors. Our discussion includes: How to process text and add color. When is it time to decompose? Return of the box mix! How to separate transformation from I/O. How to use reducing functions to repeat computation. What makes code orthogonal? The woes of packing useful data into bits. Signs of complexity in the Java underlayer. What is the difference between isolation and decomposition? What are some natural points of separation? Selected quotes: "We are composing ourselves!" "I'm a terminal guy, so this is all in the terminal." "You can go look it up on the Internet. I'm not going to try to speak ANSI right now." "The box mix makes it really easy to make a cake, but it also constricts your ability to do more things with it." "By definition, any side effect is an orthogonal concern." "It's screaming for decomposition!" "Separating these out makes it so that it's easier to understand each part by itself." "We have our 'actual code' badge again as a programming podcast!" Links: Ep 093: Waffle Cakes Ep 031: Eager Abstraction Ep 033: Cake or Ice Cream? Yes!…

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Ep 093: Waffle Cakes 14:22

۲ years پیش14:22

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Each week, we discuss a different topic about Clojure and functional programming. If you have a question or topic you'd like us to discuss, tweet @clojuredesign , send an email to feedback@clojuredesign.club , or join the #clojuredesign-podcast channel on the Clojurians Slack . This week, the topic is: "effective composition." We search for that sweet spot between full-featured mixes and simple ingredients when crafting your software recipes. Our discussion includes: What makes code "composable"? What makes it "not composable"? What baking has in common with software design. What baking does not have in common with software design. Are you using ingredients or a box mix? How to know when you need to split something apart. When is a part too big? When is a part too small? What is too flexible? The principle of orthogonality. Decomposing without the smell. Selected quotes: "This is a Clojure podcast. We have to have a definition every once in a while." "When you try to take code that someone has made and combine it with other things, how much resistance, how much difficulty, do you begin to encounter?" "A cake is a composition of smaller things." "You're still composing a cake. You're just composing it out of bigger things." "Let's compose dinner together." "You might be fighting against some of the ingredients, because you have a whole lot of stuff that's been premixed that comes along for the ride." "What if you want waffles?" "Everything is made of atoms! If I could assemble atoms, I have ultimate flexibility!" "If it's narrowly focused, it's hard for it to get in the way of other things." "You're making well-suited things, that have small scopes of responsibility, so that you can weave them together appropriately for your domain." "Who owns the recipe?" "Ah yes, you are the cause and the solution of the problem!" "Are you able to write a new recipe and reuse all the ingredients?" Links: Ep 033: Cake or Ice Cream? Yes! Ep 065: Stuck in the Middle Ep 079: Compose Thyself…

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Ep 092: Freeing Limits 17:02

۲ years پیش17:02

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Each week, we discuss a different topic about Clojure and functional programming. If you have a question or topic you'd like us to discuss, tweet @clojuredesign , send an email to feedback@clojuredesign.club , or join the #clojuredesign-podcast channel on the Clojurians Slack . This week, the topic is: "freedom through constraints." We bump into limiting constraints and learn to love their freedoms. Our discussion includes: Why expressiveness isn't everything. Causes of combinatorial complexity. The long-term benefits of decreased complexity. Problems Clojure eliminates with its language design. Why complexity feels so good when you're problem solving. How the right limits create freedom. Why Clojure's limiting constraints make it hard to switch from object-oriented programming. Reasons software teams start using microservices. Integrating around behavior vs integrating around data. Awesome hair. Selected quotes: "Complexity really adds up the more you load it into your application." "Clojure eliminates the time sink related to combinatorial complexity while giving you the ability to craft things faster." "When you're inside a method of an object, there's all those delicious member variables, instance variables, that are just sitting there ready to be touched--ready to be modified--and you have to be super disciplined not do that." "You feel so good because of all the systems you come up with, and all the structure, and all the rules. You notice patterns in the different rules, and you publish books about them, and you think, 'Wow! Look how productive we've been in coming up with all these ways of managing all this complexity! Programming is so hard!'" "Limiting constraints create freedom through limitation." "Sorry, I mutated it out from underneath us." "Eventually, over time, [the OO system] grows and then it becomes unmanageable. It becomes ungovernable. There are no rules that you can actually have, so the only solution is to rewrite." "You know it's a good metaphor when you can take it to the level where it starts falling apart." "This is a big downside of Clojure: you don't just pick it up like your last four programming languages that were all from imperative land." "It's not just a functional style that hangs out as a little part of your program. This is functional: top to bottom, ceiling to floor." "You think of zucchini bread as a naturally mom-shaped problem." "You have to discover another way to do it, and that can take time." "It appeared again! Great! It's for me!" "I just want my program to work, and some guy, with awesome hair, has told me that this is better, but I don't know how to get there!" Links: 056: Opt-In Complexity 091: Combo Boost…

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Ep 091: Combo Boost 12:00

۲ years پیش12:00

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Each week, we discuss a different topic about Clojure and functional programming. If you have a question or topic you'd like us to discuss, tweet @clojuredesign , send an email to feedback@clojuredesign.club , or join the #clojuredesign-podcast channel on the Clojurians Slack . This week, the topic is: "effective expressiveness." We compose our thoughts on why Clojure expressiveness is so effective but can be so hard to learn. Our discussion includes: Why Clojure can give you a boost as a developer—in the short and long term. Our definition of expressiveness, and why it's not simply about conciseness. Why object-oriented developers often struggle to learn functional programming. What makes some abstractions better than others. The deep implications of immutability. How to work your way up to an expert functional programmer. Selected quotes: "Getting rid of problems over time really adds up." "More of the code is solving the problem instead of being boilerplate." "You hold things at a higher level, but still very clearly, because they're well defined." "Because all of the verbs in Clojure work on all the data structures, they become more powerful." All of these new pieces have names and concepts associated with them, and you're not going to know them." "You can do tiny things, but tiny things are toys. You want big things. You want to solve problems." "It's not a small adaptation of thinking in a little region of the code, but it affects how you structure and organize everything." "You have to go in levels. You can't go all the way from zero to done." Links: Clojure Core…

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Ep 090: Conditional Results 25:00

۵ years پیش25:00

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Each week, we discuss a different topic about Clojure and functional programming. If you have a question or topic you'd like us to discuss, tweet @clojuredesign , send an email to feedback@clojuredesign.club , or join the #clojuredesign-podcast channel on the Clojurians Slack . This week, the topic is: "cond-> and cond->>." We devote some time to two functions that are indispensable when computations require variation. Selected quotes: "Our love of Clojure is unconditional!" "These are all about conditional operations." "It's shorter and easier to understand, which is uncommon in development." "That gave me data I could reason about in the program." Links: cond-> cond->>…

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Ep 089: Branching Out 38:47

۵ years پیش38:47

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Each week, we discuss a different topic about Clojure and functional programming. If you have a question or topic you'd like us to discuss, tweet @clojuredesign , send an email to feedback@clojuredesign.club , or join the #clojuredesign-podcast channel on the Clojurians Slack . This week, the topic is: "if, when, case, condp, and cond." We wander through the myriad ways of making decisions and listing choices in Clojure. Selected quotes: "Clojure is all about the practical." "Never be afraid of the in-line if." "We need to conserve parentheses, for future generations of lispers." "Build up the language to the vocabulary of your domain, and you won't have to think about the language any more, you'll just be thinking about your problem." "Where are you in programming, without branching?" Links: if when case cond condp Related Episodes: 086: Let Tricks 087: Polymorphic Metal…

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