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In this insightful episode of The Innovators & Investors Podcast, host Kristian Marquez sits down with Jay Crone, Managing Director and Venture Capitalist at Deloitte Ventures, to explore the firm’s strategic approach to corporate venture capital. Jay shares Deloitte Ventures’ investment thesis, focusing on supporting innovative Canadian startups at Series A and B stages across key sectors like cybersecurity, climate tech, fintech, future of work, health tech, and AI. Listeners will gain an inside look at how Deloitte leverages its vast network of 1,500 partners and 15,000 employees to source deals and add value beyond capital by helping startups navigate Deloitte’s complex ecosystem and access enterprise clients. Jay also discusses his diverse career journey—from government and investment banking to entrepreneurship and corporate VC—and how those experiences shape his investment philosophy. The episode delves into Deloitte’s due diligence process, the importance of founder relationships, and the firm’s strategic role as a co-investor. Jay highlights emerging trends, particularly the promise of vertical AI tailored to industry-specific needs, and shares his bullish outlook on fintech innovations like stablecoins and cross-border payments. He offers candid advice for entrepreneurs on risk-taking and aligning business vision with funding goals. This episode is a must-listen for founders, investors, and anyone interested in the evolving landscape of corporate venture capital and innovation in Canada. Learn more about Jay's work at https://www.deloitte.com/ca/en/services/program/ventures.html Connect with Jay on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaycrone/ Think you'd be a great guest on the show? Apply at https://finstratmgmt.com/innovators-investors-podcast/ Want to learn more about Kristian Marquez's work? Check out his website at https://finstratmgmt.com…
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محتوای ارائه شده توسط Ruth Nelson. تمام محتوای پادکست شامل قسمتها، گرافیکها و توضیحات پادکست مستقیماً توسط Ruth Nelson یا شریک پلتفرم پادکست آنها آپلود و ارائه میشوند. اگر فکر میکنید شخصی بدون اجازه شما از اثر دارای حق نسخهبرداری شما استفاده میکند، میتوانید روندی که در اینجا شرح داده شده است را دنبال کنید.https://fa.player.fm/legal
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محتوای ارائه شده توسط Ruth Nelson. تمام محتوای پادکست شامل قسمتها، گرافیکها و توضیحات پادکست مستقیماً توسط Ruth Nelson یا شریک پلتفرم پادکست آنها آپلود و ارائه میشوند. اگر فکر میکنید شخصی بدون اجازه شما از اثر دارای حق نسخهبرداری شما استفاده میکند، میتوانید روندی که در اینجا شرح داده شده است را دنبال کنید.https://fa.player.fm/legal
In the Creating Space Project, Ruth Nelson asks women to share a moment from their lives. The moment is used to uncover their personal values and beliefs. From ordinary women, come stories that are real and inspiring.
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×The Creating Space Project interviewed Miria and Ziggy, two young people on the Yaama Ngunna Baaka Corroborree. We were travelling with the Water for Rivers convoy in outback NSW, camping in the river towns from Walgett to Menindee. The purpose was to learn about the plight of the rivers from a First Nations perspective. The rivers are empty or near empty. This isn't just about the devastating drought or the climate emergency. The rivers are literally being sucked dry by big corporations. It is a death sentence for Aboriginal communities, for whom the rivers are life itself. Miria and Ziggy reflect on the impact that Uncle Bruce Shillingsworth has had on them, as well as the theft of water and climate change.…
When is about people not gender? Sahra and Ruth explore patriarchy as a system of oppression that affects all genders. Far from experts on the matter, we are two psychologists sitting with self-doubt and the discomfort of critically examining what it is that we value, and how we bring that into a therapy room.…
Trillions of dollars have been spent by the Australian government detaining asylum seekers in Papua New Guinea for six years. It would be far better governance to bring about an end to this situation. Cathy McGowan is the former Independent member for Indi, in rural Victoria. She talks to the Creating Space Project and asks each of us, right now, to email our local Member of Parliament and our state Senators and ask for answers to the following questions: What are the Government's plans for the asylum seekers on Papua New Guinea who can't go to the USA? What would it take for the Government to agree to New Zealand's offer? If you are an Australian citizen, you can find the relevant email addresses on www.aph.gov.au and it only takes about 15 minutes.…
The Creating Space Project is currently exploring feminist psychology and intersectionality, through asking listeners the question “What would you ask a feminist psychologist?” In this episode, Sahra O'Doherty and Ruth Nelson talk about Tanya's question regarding how you weave feminism into counselling, about being a values-based therapist, and the embodiment of values.…
What would you ask a feminist psychologist? Ruth Nelson and Sahra O'Doherty respond to Jess's question about the effect of patriarchy on women's mental health, and how many problems stem from inequality. "I should look good." Ruth and Sahra explore the ways feminist values inform their psychology practice. They also explore systems of oppression, layers of privilege, intersectionality, who is allowed to get angry, cultural expectations of women, pain and motherhood, unrelenting standards and the male suicide rate. Photo 'Tern with a Fish' by David Noble…
It’s very hard to find the words, “I have experienced this.” What brings people into counselling? The Creating Space Project talks about therapy and mental health with psychologist Sahra O’Doherty. People can spend a lot of time squishing uncomfortable feelings back down, and get worried that if they lift the lid, they’re not too sure what’s going to emerge. We can be pretty afraid of our emotions. Society teaches us to fear failing. Shame and guilt feel painful. Vulnerability is frightening. So to come and talk to a psychologist can take a lot of courage. And what’s it like to be a psychologist sharing space with clients? Sahra talks about the ways that providing counselling has shaped her and how if we, as therapists, can’t sit with our own discomfort and vulnerability, how can we expect it of anyone else? The research tends to show that 70-80% of the effectiveness of therapy comes from the relationship between therapist and client. It’s the relationship that heals. So if you have a really fantastic and strong therapeutic relationship, that can facilitate positive change.…
“I find it very hard to accept that Australia’s national interest is about putting security listening devices of the walls of our poorest, nearest neighbour.” This is an interview about espionage, exploitation and politics. Elizabeth Biok is a lawyer and member of the International Commission of Jurists. She talks to the Creating Space Project about the case of Witness K and his lawyer, Bernard Collaery. These two men exposed the Australian government for bugging the offices of the newly formed government of Timor-Leste. “The Australian intelligence agents were asked to put listening devices inside the cabinet room and some of the ministers’ offices in the parliament of Timor-Leste. And that was no doubt to eavesdrop on what the Timorese politicians were saying, while the negotiations were going on with Australia about the oil boundary, and sharing the resources in the Timor Sea.” For exposing corruption, Witness K and his lawyer are charged with breaching the National Security Act and are now imprisoned and facing a trial that lacks open and fair justice. Elizabeth went to East Timor as a legal monitor of the Independence Ballot in 1999 and bore witness to the political oppression and militia violence of the Indonesian occupation. She takes us, with wonderful clarity, through the history and geography of our relationship with Timor-Leste, and our place in South East Asia, to help us understand how this situation came about and how it pertains to processes of economic development, democracy, and our identity and values as Australians.…
Cherie Heggie is wonderful. She sees the world with an openness and compassion that many of us just can’t seem to attain. She declared as a Bahá’í in 2015 and what drew her to the faith is its belief that all the major religions of the world are from God. In her life, she has found no difference between herself and the Muslims who live around her. Talking two days after the terror attacks on the mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, Cherie talks about privilege, peace, fear and the outrage that we are wasting time on hatred between religions when the true crisis facing us is the climate emergency engulfing us all.…
Australia has one of the lowest infant mortality rates in the world. That is amazing and a credit to our public health system. And, of the people who give birth in Australia, one in three experience it as a traumatic event. Grace Jeffery is a student midwife. She talks to the Creating Space Project about helping people feel safe and empowered in labour, and the importance of continuity of care throughout pregnancy and of good post-natal care, to reduce this experience of trauma for families. Grace also talks to the gendered nature of midwifery, which translates back to "with women", and the ways in which this can exclude people who don't fit a binary construct of gender. She reflects on how, while it is traditionally a very feminine space, it is fine to extend that space for people who don't identify with "woman", or "man", or "mother" or "father", so that they also can feel safe and comfortable in their experiences of becoming parents.…
This is a beautiful, relaxing, bilingual conversation between guest interviewer, Gavin, professional interpreter, Sajsajee, and naturopath, Jik. Jik is a naturopath. She practices Kai Therapy. With her husband, she has established an organic city farm in the middle of Bangkok. Their hope is to educate people about holistic approaches to health. From volunteering with street children, Jik now tries to educate people about integrative medicine, from the importance of fresh food, to changing the behaviours of consumerism. It is important to Jik to live the way that you teach, and becoming a Kai therapist was a way of fulfilling this, using ancient wisdom from Japanese villages to bring a new model for healthy living to modern Bangkok.…
Jaeb is a woman of vision, as well as extraordinary humility. “If I know anything, it’s that I know nothing.” When Jaeb and her husband first purchased land in central Thailand, the soil was so degraded by monocrop farming and heavy use of chemical fertilisers, it was like rock. They started growing trees for shade around the house. Initially, Jaeb and James had many failures, with thousands of saplings dying. But then they discovered the work of Dr John D. Liu. Since then, Jaeb has undertaken a fascinating journey of learning about ecological restoration, permaculture and sustainable agriculture. Jaeb wants to create a food forest, a way of producing food that doesn’t require deforestation or monocrop farming. An educator by training, and passionate about the environment, Jaeb wants to bring as many people on this journey with her as possible. From her own children to the local town to an international community of volunteers who come to the farm to live and learn, Jaeb’s vision is to share knowledge about food security and nature. “It’s possible to live off the land and to enjoy nature. You don’t need to cut down everything in your farm.”…
"Where are you getting the next lot of food?" And he just shrugged his shoulders. Ev Van Bo and her husband packed up their caravan for a trip around Australia. They thought that perhaps, on the way, they should stop to help a farmer. So they contacted the Country Women’s Australia and were put in contact with Nea Worrell, from the Baradine CWA Drought Pantry. She may have spent the first week leaving the cover on the thermometer when preparing the feed for the poddy lambs, but Ev’s help meant that farmers could have dinner with their children. For Ev, helping out in a drought was a reminder of what is actually important in life, and how we need far less than we imagine. But what we do need is food and water. In these times of climate change, with Australia become drier and hotter, this interview is a reminder that food security will become a more pressing issue, and that the people we depend on every day to feed us are struggling in ways that are unimaginable here in the city.…
Do you ever feel like who you are on the inside is different to the way you perform for other people on the outside? You should listen to this episode. Marine Salter did beautifully moving artwork for a journal article that I was part of, called Barometers of the City. Published in Human Arenas, it is qualitative research using poetry by psychologists as cultural data. Marine reflects on the process of producing art, which for her is about personal expression, for an audience. She describes being hyperaware of what’s expected of her in the world and feeling that she does not match the expectations of others, and the low self-worth that comes with that. Articulate and generous with her insights, Marine describes a phenomenon that is common to many of us. It is the need to be authentic to yourself and to heal your sense of pressure to meet the expectations of others.…
Kim is a Joondoburri Salt-Water woman from Yirin, the traditional name of Bribie Island, South East Queensland. She found out at the age of 21 that she is Aboriginal. As a child, Kim's father was sent to a boys’ home to learn Western ways, his mother having been persuaded that this was in his best interests. In this institution, her father sustained appalling abuse. Now that her father walks with the Ancestors, Kim shares with the Creating Space Project the story of her family and her culture. As well as the trauma sustained by First Nations Peoples as a result of colonisation, this is a story of resilience, growth and joy. “To lose 65 000 years of culture, to lose my language, to lose my stories… I don’t know my language. I would so love to. I know the name of my language. It was Oondoo. But I don’t know anything. Any words. Nothing. It’s a sad thing. But… I know where I’m from. I can connect to my ancestors. I can connect with my country.” TW: Abuse, suicide attempts…
"I am a link between my father and my ancestors, the Incas, and knowledge formed thousands of years ago." The daughter of a Shaman, Julia has just released a book of her father's stories. Abuelito tells the tales of boyhood adventures with Eduardo Paez's grandfather in the foothills of Ecuador, trekking into mountains, visiting his special tree, watching the rituals of the wise men. Stories of fun and adventure, they also represent an ancient spirituality, a First Nations cosmovision, and bring a wisdom formed thousands of years ago into the modern day, a wisdom gentle and profound. From Eduardo's grandfather, a strong man, leader and warrior, there are gentle lessons on how to tackle climate change, how to protect the Earth that sustains us, and how to get along with each other. As Julia asks, "Who will still be telling these stories in a thousand years?"…
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Kate is a farmer in outback NSW. She loves farming and she loves her land. Her cattle wander the paddocks in peace, in view of the Warrumbungles. "Anything that’s had a happy life is good. One bad day and that’s the day they’re on the truck." At the moment, keeping the cattle alive is hard. Kate describes the most extensive drought she has seen in 40 years in Coonabarabran. Even the native trees have not survived. Among dust storms and dirt, Kate often lacks the water to even wash her clothes.…
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Kim works in town during the week and on the family farm on weekends. Her family are trying to keep some of their cattle alive during the drought. Resilience is a complicated business. It is the quality of bouncing back, surviving or thriving, and is revealed in hard times. Kim is the embodiment of resilience. She brings love, hope, commitment and loyalty to the work of emotionally sustaining her family through a drought that is slowly killing their stock. She doesn’t avoid emotional pain, standing side by side with her son as he has to put down the animals. She nurtures a small patch of lawn so her husband and son have something green to see when they return home from paddocks that are nothing but dust and dirt. She finds ways to sustain herself as well, one of which is choosing to tell her story as part of the Creating Space Project. Kim understands the power of witnessing. Just as she stands witness to her son in the fields, supporting him in his work, she talks here to allow us to bear witness to what she is carrying. “I like to think someone’s heard what I’ve said and actually acknowledged what I’ve said.”…
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Amid the bustle and kindness of the Baradine Country Women's Association hall, Isabelle took time away from volunteering to talk to the Creating Space Project. Isabelle’s mum, Julia, tells a story about running away to her grandmother’s house whenever she needed a break. Isabelle, confident and insightful, uses that story to reflect on what’s important to her life. Family and working hard. Those things matter a great deal to Isabelle. Having interviewed her grandmother and mother previously in the podcast ( Drought Pantry and Fourth Generation ), this interview provides beautiful insight, from Isabelle, into the ways that families pass their values down through the generations.…
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“I am the fourth generation of incredibly strong women.” When Julia was four years old, she was run over by the family car and pronounced dead. Somehow, she was revived and recovered from the incident without lasting harm. Julia Baird is the daughter of Nea Worrell, the amazing woman integral to the Drought Pantry at the Baradine Country Women’s Association, and previously interviewed on the podcast about the ways this drought, the worst in living memory, is impacting rural NSW, Australia. Cut from the same cloth, Julia talks to the Creating Space Project about the strength of the women in her family, from her grandmother down to her own daughter. She also talks about the faith that sustains her mother and sustains her, one that is linked to Mary MacKillop and the charism of the Josephite Sisters, also women of great strength. “She [mum] just has this attitude – you just get on with life.. I think she got that from my nan.” The intergenerational transmission of values is a process that I am very interested. Listening to Julia reflect on her family provides fascinating insight into the ways that families pass down an ethos of hard work, kindness, and never giving up. “Mum always said “You just get on with it, you’re my daughter, you know what to do, get on with it.” Family is one of the places where we shape a powerful sense of who we are, of our own identity, and this can be one of the forces that generates resilience in us. “Through the telling of these stories and the acceptance of who we were as women, I really took on, “I’m Julia, I know who I am, I have this strength, I have this power.”…
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The Baradine Country Women’s Association is 90 years old. At the moment, its hall is full of supplies and vouchers, donated from around NSW and Queensland to support farmers and to try and keep the local shops alive. Nea Worrell, part of a family with five generations in the CWA, talks to the Creating Space Project about the impact of the drought. “ We’ve had that farm for forty-odd years, my husband has been farming for seventy years, and we’ve never had dry dams .” Nea and her family have been handfeeding their animals, from sun-up to sun-down, for 18 months. They’re reduced to their breeding stock, and are wondering how they get through summer, never mind beyond that. There is no rain predicted. Nea’s story is not unique. Farming communities are facing enormous hardship. As well as struggle, though, what shines through is the strength, wisdom and kindness of women like Nea, building community resilience and hope. “We have ladies burst out crying when they see us. They’re being strong for the men in the farm and then they come in here and we say “How are you? Are you alright?” And then the boom gates open. So cuddles and cuppa teas and cakes are free here at the CWA. They go away feeling restored and better. And if we can do that, that’s great.”…
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When you interview someone at the Risk and Dare youth justice conference, held in a high school, it's tough finding a quiet spot, especially when you only have 10 minutes... Elise talks about being moved by the story of two women who arrived in Australia as refugees. “The refugees I’ve encountered are so strong.” The resilience shown by people fleeing vulnerable situations is the key characteristic Elise sees. She believes young people in Australia need to hear these stories - stories from really dark places and people who have lived many lives - in order to build their own resilience. She also believes we are stronger when we tell our own stories. Storytelling shares lived experience. It gives hope for the future. It lets people learn from other’s experiences and create their own stories as well. Stories form a human connection. “ That’s important, that human connection .”…
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Christiane Nakhle and I are at Risk and Dare, a justice conference for young people from across Australia. She talks about homelessness, and young people being vehicles for justice. Women are the most significant proportion of homeless people in Australia, due to domestic violence and lack of support. Christiane traces her concern for homeless women to the influence of her cultural background, Christiane is Lebanese-Australia, the closeness she feels to her family, and the influence of her mother and grandmother on her life. Christiane strongly values empathy and using the resources she has to be an instrument for change. It was an interview grabbed spontaneously as Christiane was very busy, and kindly took time away from workshops to speak to me. So my apologies for the difficulties with the noise. We are in sonic competition with the loudspeaker for most of the time.…
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Boundaries and being other. These are concepts that interest me greatly. So there was a wonderful synchronicity to having a conversation with Celina McEwen. This is the story of the meeting of Celina’s parents, a French woman and a man from the West Indies. As well as being the story of the cultural backgrounds of the two people that Celina embodies, it is also about that “big question mark of how people relate across cultures, [what] makes people want to cross those boundaries, and [be] attracted to the other.” Intersectionality; the politics of relationality; the diversity within a single person; the choreography of relating to other people; the ties between memory and language. Celina is as graceful and light as a dancer in the way she explains ideas that can otherwise be a little bit daunting.…
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Politics dressed up as the production of spores. Olivia reads a poem written by herself and a friend, Marcus. Then the other young poets of the Spark Youth Theatre respond to it. It's witty and clever, and the conversation does not disappoint either. I loved interviewing these young poets. Uploading this episode from a campsite in Goondiwindi, with the baby playing in the dirt, the preschooler sulking in the tent, and the birds scattering about the grass, I'm reflecting on this episode from the backdrop of the emaciated cows and bone-dry dirt that I saw yesterday. The insight and awareness of these young people gives me hope.…
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"I feel too much, like it's more than I can hold, and I will break" Seb is fourteen years old, enormously articulate, and very insightful. He reads us a poem. Then Gabe Journey Jones and the Spark Youth Theatre respond. They talk about many things, including being bullied and feeling down about everything. What emerges is resilience and strength. The future is not perfect, but you will get there. This is the second of three interviews with the Spark Youth Theatre. Spending time with them was wonderful. I felt so energised by all they know and share.…
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This is the first of three interviews that I enjoyed enormously (I enjoy all of my interviews, to be honest, but this one was something else again). I got to talk to the young poets from the Spark Youth Theatre. Each took a turn reading a poem, and then the rest of us, including facilitator Gabe Journey Jones, chatted about the poem. “A witch’s house that goes walking” Fourteen year old Orlando reads an original poem, Baba Yaga, that he had written moments before. Then the group respond to it. Their insight, wit and originality is just a delight.…
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Rachel Menzies researches the role of death anxiety in mental health. She is passionate about ancient history and psychology. From Gilgamesh and Persephone, to the local death café and anxiety disorders, Rachel came to realise that a fear of death, and an avoidance of talking about it, is pervasive throughout human history. For Rachel, mindfulness of death helps her to live deliberately and in the moment, living with meaning, purpose, and a deep appreciation of life. It is about “ using death to live well .” Rachel Menzies is a clinical psychology and PhD candidate. Along with Ross Menzies and Lisa Iverach, she recently edited the book Curing the Dread of Death .…
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"It’s very rare for me to lose that sense of my own heartbeat." Meeting on Gadigal/Wangal land prior to the Unspoken Words Festival, poet and percussionist Gabrielle Journey Jones performed The Happening for me. There's a heartbeat drum at the pulse Twenty-four hours in the zone - never alone - never alone Like the voice of women which will not drown in patriarchal oppression The voice of women in the rhythms... Powerful and evocative, Gabe's drumming and poetry opened up a fascinating conversation about rhythm, sound, feelings, creative community, heartbeats, intersectionality, queer communities, representation, mental health, self-care and greedy time... a conversation about "bits of debris that float in."…
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"The many different angles of grief that hadn’t occurred to me until my own father. It hadn’t occurred to me that there was more than one thing to miss. And it’s not always good stuff that you miss." Poet, Ali Whitelock, and I talk about the unexpected death of her father, a man with whom she had a difficult relationship. The experience of accompanying him, holding his hand while he died, brought home to her the reality that one day, she too, would die. The terror that life was passing her by compelled Ali to leave her job and enter the life she had always wanted - that of full-time writer. We talk about the meaning of her work, holding something in the palm of your hand and writing a poem about it. "The role of writers and poets is to perhaps pare back life and look at it and try to make some kind of meaning to it."…
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Jenny and I are in an Open Dialogue group that examines how Western psychology is linked to colonisation. Both emerge from the same place. Because of this, psychology can sometimes do harm to people who have been colonised. In the group, we look at ways our own psychology practice can perpetuate colonising practices. Jenny, an Aboriginal woman, talks about how the term ‘decolonise’ is offensive for her. It evokes bloodshed and massacres, families torn apart, languages lost, disconnection. The word doesn’t communicate love. It communicates only pain. The Open Dialogue group is attempting to re-imagine clinical psychology as a place of dialogue, collective action and resistance to injustice. As Jenny says, “ there’s a group of passionate people that want to see change.” In Open Dialogue, “everybody gets to hear what everybody has to say. But also all the feelings are acknowledged and then you can sit back and assess what was heard.” Simply finding a word or phrase to represent our intentions and conversations requires finding a middle ground, a place for both psychology and lore. Photo 'Corellas' by David Warren Noble…
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Sadiya and Sarah are part of Stop Adani. It is an environmental movement working to block the development of the Adani Carmichael coal mine in the north of the Galilee Basin, Central Queensland, Australia. Last episode, Sarah told a story for Sadiya to reflect on. In this episode, Sadiya tells us a story, about a Bangladeshi farmer who lost livelihood and home to river erosion. Sarah pulls out the themes of loss and displacement in this story. For Sarah, this is a human story of the suffering already experienced by extreme weather events, rising sea levels, and global warming. Climate change is not just an issue of environmental justice, it is an issue of social justice. Sarah reflects on the increase in child marriage associated with climate change, as families are forced to make horrendous decisions to keep their children alive. “We know that burning coal, no matter where it’s burnt, is going to keep fuelling global warming and climate change and Bangladesh is one of the most vulnerable countries, although no matter where you live in the world, we’re all going to be effected by it.”…
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Sarah Ellyard’s childhood, spent camping and bushwalking with her wilderness conservation father, explains her connection to the environment, and her ability to understand its importance to our health, physical and mental. She finds it hard to understand why Western society places such a low value on nature, and why we find it hard to take action on climate change. Sarah is part of Stop Adani Sydney, a movement that is trying to block the development of the Adani Carmichael coal mine, in the north of the Galilee Basin in Central Queensland, Australia. Sadiya Binte Karim is a Bangladeshi woman. Also part of Stop Adani Sydney, Sadiya reflects, for us, on Sarah’s story. She links it to climate justice, both in Australia, and in countries like Bangladesh and India, which are already suffering the consequences of climate change.…
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“I am a drop waiting to return to the ocean” Mohammad Ali Maleki is incarcerated on Manus Island. Five years ago, he attempted to seek asylum in Australia and, for this, he was detained. An Iranian poet, Mohammad writes in Farsi. His friend, Mansour Shoushtari, translates the poetry into English, and Mohammad messages the poetry to Michele Seminara, an editor at Verity La. Michele and I talk about Expectations , a poem contained in his chapbook, Truth in the Cage . Michele describes his work as “incredibly sad but also in a way uplifting.” I think I know what she means. I feel so sad listening to the words of a man jailed for being a refugee, but I also find myself reflecting on my relationship with freedom, through the lens of his relationship with freedom. “For years the ceiling of my room has been my sky.” The Australian government does everything it can to suppress asylum seekers’ voices. Mohammad and others like him have been strong, persistent and ingenious in getting their voices out. Compassionate and gentle, Mohammad seeks our essential goodness, “He’s speaking from what’s the same in each of us.” Truth in the Cage, is a chapbook of poetry, written by Mohammad Ali Maleki, and published by Verity La and Rochford Street Press. It is being launched on Tuesday 17th July, 2018, at the Friend in Hand, Glebe. Come along. Otherwise, buy it online. All profits go to Mohammad. For more information, including sample poems and how to buy the book, check out the link below https://verityla.com/2018/06/28/truth-in-the-cage/…
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This interview with Auntie Josie is to acknowledge and celebrate NAIDOC week, 2018. Auntie Josie is from the Wailwan nation. She is a First Nations Person. We were speaking on Darug land. I am deeply grateful and honoured that she has shared some of the stories of her life with me. These stories concern sexual abuse, domestic violence, suicide and parental death, among other things. Please be advised of these triggers. Listen mindfully for your own wellbeing and with respect for Auntie Josie. Auntie Josie is a woman of remarkable courage, wisdom and kindness. I have been moved beyond words in listening to her stories and by the generosity she has shown in sharing them with me. The purpose of sharing the stories is to help Australians, like myself, understand better the experiences of First Nations Peoples. These experiences are the consequence of colonisation and genocide. I would like to be very clear that I acknowledge that these are Auntie Josie's stories. I am simply privileged to be permitted to release them here as a Creating Space Project podcast episode. So too, the thumbnail image is the official NAIDOC 2018 logo and I am using it, I believe in good faith, to be a part of this celebration.…
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Introduction to Conversation with Merle Conyer I talk to Merle Conyer. I had a particular question, about the interface between Western psychology and Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander knowledge. I’m exploring that because of a work role I’ll be taking up soon, as part of the Creating Space Project. As part of my preparation for that, I was put in contact with Merle by Paul Rhodes. Merle has been grappling for some time with the same question that has only recently come to me. Merle works with Aboriginal communities. She’s a South African woman who’s been in Australia for many years. As she describes it, she is in that intersection of human rights and wellbeing and social justice. So I sat with her on her carpet and listened to her, and in listening to her, I have learnt an enormous amount. For her the word genocide was shattering. She realised that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people in her lifetime have encountered the five conditions for genocide laid about by the United Nations (1948) Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. There is shame attached to that: The shame for a South African woman, and the shame of being in Australia and realizing the systems of oppression that exist here, the structures of colonialism. A phrase that has stayed with me from the conversation with Merle is about moving from shame to responsibility and how you tease apart toxic shame from helpful shame. This interview has helped raise in me lots of questions: As a therapist, in what ways am an instrument of oppression?” When I’m in a therapy room with a person who experiences racism, structural oppression, in what way do I perpetuate that oppression? How do I seek restorative action? How do I seek to redress that? How do I deconstruct the racism that I have been raised in? How do I dismantle those processes of colonization in myself. Merle explores the idea of cultural humility. As I understand it, this is about making space within my space, and within the spaces I operate in for voices from other cultures and other systems? Merle then talks about the therapeutic modalities that have served her well in practice. These include somatic therapies and postmodern therapies, including narrative therapy. I am also in conversation with First Nations Peoples, this interview is just one act of preparation.…
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Jennifer Jones lives in Myanmar and co-founded the Room to Grow Foundation. She works with children: Unaccompanied refugee children who have experienced enormous trauma. They have swum rivers while bullets fly overhead. They have worked in factories. They have foraged for discarded cabbage leaves to stay alive. But their suffering is not the focus of this story. Their strength is the focus. “Those kids… taught me about strength, about resilience, they taught me about survival, about what it takes to live in a really difficult world. Their parents teach me about what it means to make choices that are more difficult than any I ever have to make in my life. And above all, the dancing teaches me that kids who have gone through these terrible situations can find a moment of joy. Not all of them, not every time. But all that stuff that they’d been through, they could just drop it to be fully immersed in a moment of joy when they got it.” This is not just a story about dancing with refugee children. It's about Jennifer's journey away from pity and into a more ethical relationship with people who are in need. It's about white and non-white relations, international NGO work, colonisation and post-colonisation. It's also a reflection on how a government and media can manipulate a society into believing a certain class of people are not human, such as the Rohingya experiencing genocide in Myanmar, and refugees and asylum seekers trapped in detention centres, like those on Manus Island and Naura in Australia.…
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Rebecca Langley is an Australian woman who has become involved as an ally in the movement for freedom in West Papua. Recently, she has been a supporter in the Let's Talk About West Papua campaign that has been launched in Australia, which aims to address the ways in which Australia supports Indonesian occupation of West Papua, including funding, arming and training the security forces. She talks here about how she became involved in this community, inspired by the music of Blue King Brown, the activism of Izzy Brown, the 43 West Papuans who came to Australia by outrigger canoe, and the Freedom Flotilla. It's problematic that we are two white Australians taking up space to talk about the oppression facing Indigenous people. Rebecca and I are both uncomfortable about that. There were particular reasons at the time why it wasn't possible to talk to a West Papuan (including time restraints), and I decided I would rather talk to somebody, given the timing of the campaign addressing human rights violations, even if I couldn't talk to a West Papuan woman.…
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Amy Martinez listens to the story of Isabelle from Belle and the Bear, in which Isabelle’s bear was stolen by her mother’s abusive partner. “I feel like [the teddy bear] stands for something else that has been taken away from her.” The sadness that Amy feels for Isabelle relates also to her own experiences in childhood. Now, as a young adult, Amy says she is starting to notice the ways in which people hold power over her. For example, she had a boyfriend who was very controlling. “He knew that I cared so much about him that he could do whatever he wanted and get away with it because he could say certain things to bring me back.” Amy’s reflection is a curious mix of vulnerability and courage. It takes a lot of strength to allow yourself to publically experience and express strength and there’s a lot to be learnt here about emotional resilience and getting to know yourself.…
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"Hope is a spacious place. It's so full of possibility." Chantale has a way with words that is a little hypnotic. And she has a way with ideas. Hope, for her, is a red balloon that expands your chest so you can breathe a little more easily. Much like her balloon, or more accurately, because of her balloon, this is a conversation that expands - into mental health, the vagaries of babies that interrupt interviews, what keeps us awake at night, climate change, what a better future means, Brene Brown's vulnerability hangovers, messiness - and into a conversation about conversation, stories and words. About the things that make us human. And here is the poem that she shares with us - it's worth lingering over: 357/365 // the balloon // #365daysofpoetry Love, mistaking my heart for a balloon, took a deep breath and blew and now it sits uncomfortably tight in my chest, swollen against ribs that creak under the strain drifting upwards until my toes barely touch the ground I am adrift in newly awoken hope (Chantale Roxanas)…
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I’m excited by this episode. I love all of the interviews I do (maybe not my interviewing all the time, but I love all the stories) but this one was like interviewing the kind of person I hope to be in another decade or so – still committed to social justice, still passionate about what I do. Not bitter about the losses. Dare has just left her role as CEO of Reverse Garbage, which is a facility that diverts resources away from landfill and into creative and practical re-use. Need a whole bunch of shredded paper and foam bits and bobs? Go to Reverse Garbage. Social justice and equity, especially intergenerational equity, are the values that underpin Dare’s career that has spanned health promotion, anti-slavery, refugee rights, gender issues, housing and neighbourhood development. When it comes to issues of sustainability and climate change, Dare hopes to help nudge us into the direction of a circular economy, as opposed to the linear economy that the Western world currently embraces. “There is a finite amount of matter in this planet so we’re always turning one thing into something else… we need to keep working with that in a way that it keeps going.” Dare is trying to help save us from ourselves. That is a story worth sharing.…
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Angela is amazing. Single mother of two kids. Assistant director in the city. Courageous, empathic and generous. I played her Amanda's story from Red Flags and then we talked about it. Domestic violence is hard. I struggled to ask Angela about it and I feel a bit ashamed of that. Remembering abuse brings up strong emotions and layers of self-judgement. Talking about it brings up the complicated nuances of male and female relationships in society; it brings up the fear of reprisal if it's heard by the abuser or their family. But Angela feels a responsibility to speak up about her relationship with her ex-husband, both to help other women and to end the intergenerational transmission of abuse for the sake of her children. And I feel very grateful that she let me share this story.…
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Isabelle is the twelve-year-old daughter of Amanda, who talked about domestic violence in the episode Red Flags . Resilient and insightful, Isabelle talks about her mother's abusive partner stealing her teddy bear when she was six years old. “I was just an angry child because I lost my teddy bear.” On the cusp of adolescence, Isabelle has already learnt a great deal about herself and emotion regulation. She is unapologetic for a justified anger and, at the same time, understands that lashing out in anger is not often effective. "Emotions rub off on people. If you’re angry all the time, no one will want to talk to you. If you’re calm, people wll rely on you."…
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“Why doesn’t she just leave him?” Trigger warning: Domestic violence. Amanda Cosgrove describes how it took five years to leave a man who was abusing her and the strategies that he used to manipulate his way into remaining in her life, including using her children and slowly undermining her belief in herself. After the relationship ended, she went through counselling to rebuild her self-worth and self-respect. Forgiving herself, despite it not being her fault, took a long time. She also did courses to learn ways of identifying the red flags that can be a warning of abuse. Despite all this work, Amanda found herself in a relationship that turned violent. Her son had to step into to save her while she was being seriously assaulted by her partner. A woman of remarkable strength, insight and resilience, raising five healthy and happy children, Amanda shares her tale as a lesson in how, under the right circumstances, we are all vulnerable to abuse. “Hopefully with more and more people speaking out about it, hopefully women do listen and don’t try and pretend everything’s fine like I did for so long.”…
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Nivelo started Equally Wed in the faith that one day, Australia would enact marriage equality. A wedding directory catering for gay, lesbian, queer and transgendered couples, Equally Wed reflects Niv's belief in equality and civil rights. "The reason why I really started this business was so that everybody had the same rights and option." The inspiration for Equally Wed came seven years ago, when Nivelo's brother and male partner opened a package containing a cake topper. The expression on their faces of joy and happiness really struck Nivelo. They had found something that represented them, something they could see themselves in. And that, to Nivelo, is important. * This is not a paid endorsement of Equally Wed. I just admired the imagination and motivation that it took to set up this business years ago and hold faith that one day Australia would get its act together.…
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A child with a disability taught retired teacher, Elizabeth Appleyard, an important lesson on mental health and wellbeing. In a class exercise, when other children were wishing for material items, this child wished for a new hand. At the same time, this child appeared to be an essentially happy soul. He had friends, he laughed, he played. The lesson for Elizabeth is that happiness is transient. To be happy means that, at some point, you will also be sad. They are emotions on the same spectrum. Underneath them is contentment and peace. You can feel sad and know that, basically, you're alright. Contentment is about enjoying day to day existence, about experiencing each day as a present to be unwrapped. "I can pay my bills and I can do what I like with my day. That," says Elizabeth, "is a luxury."…
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Dei Phillips is a Bundjalung woman. Fierce and compassionate, she is relentless as an activist and advocate for Aboriginal people in Australia. In trying to arrange this interview, we kept having to postpone. Dei is always busy, whether it be marching on Invasion/Survival Day or seeking legal representation for young Aboriginal first offenders. She is a passionate educator about pre-colonial history and geography. When I finally got to talk to her, it was more than worth the wait. I got to hear about the importance of language, story, and place. These things form our culture and identity. I felt that I understood more about how utterly devastating it is to have them stolen. And it all began for Dei back in early primary school. As a little girl, she found herself attacking a boy tormenting a small girl with cancer. While she regrets being in a physical fight, she learnt, in that moment, the feeling of strength that accompanies protecting someone else. It was a defining experience, in terms of becoming an activist. “That singular moment of watching this young girl, who was a white girl, be dehumanised for something that was completely out of her control.” The basis of activism, says Dei, is the desire to protect. The only Aboriginal child in her inner-city primary school, Dei would sometimes be sent to stay with her grandmother, a thousand kilometres away. Here, she went to school with family and cousins. The contrast between the two experiences was quite stark. Going to school with her mob was freeing. “You don’t feel frowned upon, you don’t feel like people are making judgements on you as much as when you’re the only Aboriginal in the school.” I’ve tried a few times to write up more of the interview for these notes. I thought I was just struggling to condense all the themes of it down to a short piece. But I’ve realised that, as a Settler woman, a descendent of English and Irish, I don’t feel it’s my place to write up the knowledge that Dei gifted me in this interview. So, I hope you are able to listen for yourself. If you’re not able to listen, you could email me to ask for pdf of the transcript: admin at creatingspaceproject dot com…
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Teresa Benetos was a nurse in Baghdad when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait. She’s writing a memoir about her time as a hostage in Iraq. Growing up in a traditional Irish Catholic household, it has taken many years for Teresa to realise that, as a woman, her story is of interest. After thirty years, she says, it is time to tell the story of ‘The Accidental Hostage.’ As a teenager, she battled with her father to be able to finish her Leaving Certificate at school and study to become a nurse. Against the background of an economic recession, Teresa was compelled to seek work in London, during the era of “No blacks, no dogs, no Irish .” She left London and went to work in Belfast during the Troubles, the thirty-year armed conflict and political deadlock in Northern Ireland. Then, in 1990, she took a job in a hospital in Baghdad. Before she returned to Iraq after some leave, she had her fortune told: She would be surrounded by uniforms and there was months of worry ahead for her parents. On August the 2nd, 1990, Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait and decided that foreigners were not allowed to leave. Teresa was one of about 200 Irish nurses held hostage. So long as they continued to work in the hospital during Operation Desert Storm, they were relatively safe. As well as the fear of their own position, they experienced the vicarious trauma of treating the civilians impacted by armed conflict, including the pre-invasion gassing of Kurds, with children being carried on foot from Mosul with horrific injuries. Following the trade sanctions imposed by the UN, people were running out of food; the hospital was running out of medicine and supplies. This is a story both harrowing and inspiring, as well as bearing historical importance. Reflecting on family, career and recovery from trauma, the interview reveals Teresa's strength and resilience. It also provides tantalising hints into her skill as a writer. The conundrum of the story is a familiar one: Family. We flee into the world and sometimes end up longing to return. What Teresa wanted most, trapped in Baghdad, was the family and the parents she’d so desperately wanted to leave.…
This episode is part-two of Bearing Witness: The backstory to Creating Space where we hear the inspiring yarn behind Ruth Nelson and how this podcast came into being. In the first episode we followed Ruth who, as an 18-year-old, inadvertently signed up to volunteer in community work with refugees leading her on the path of studying psychology. She survived a brain encephalopathy, and in not choosing the path of least resistance, Ruth headed to northern Uganda at the age of 26 to work in community outreach as an NGO. It’s in this episode where we pick up Ruth’s story as she struggles with the futility of her presence, as a young inexperienced community worker, in an active conflict zone. Ruth saw her role, initially at least, as bearing witness to the atrocities of this insidious and complex conflict but over the two years she initiated and facilitated many programs, some of which had surprisingly comedic outcomes. After Ruth returned to Australia to complete her qualifications as a psychologist and to work in the field, life happened, and she made a difficult decision to put her career on hold to dedicate her efforts to raising her child. It was during this period, Ruth felt like she was losing hope as social media reflected a world of growing ignorance and intolerance. So she decided to share stories. What was supposed to be a blog, became a podcast and Ruth searched far and wide to ask women to share their own stories at the virtual campfire. Ruth believes we are sentient bags of saltwater who just love a good story, and in listening to others we can readily identify shared values despite coming from different, seemingly alien backgrounds. Since the Creating Space Project started in June 2016, Ruth has facilitated, so far, the sharing of stories, in a narrative framework, of 73 ordinary, yet extraordinary women. It was my opinion Ruth’s story needed also to be shared and she eventually acquiesced to my appeal for an interview. I think it makes for a particularly inspiring listen … enjoy! This is the last episode before Ruth takes a break for a few months, as she is due to have another baby. But fear not - the Creating Space Project will return!…
It seemed remiss - to me at least - with all the stories that have been shared by this project of ordinary, yet extraordinary women, it had not featured the captivating journey of its creator, Ruth Nelson. It took 12 months and some gentle persuasion for Ruth to acquiesce to my appeal for an interview. The notion that she would become the object of interest left Ruth feeling ill at ease, yet her experience, I argued, was at the essence of the Creating Space story. I knew Ruth’s personal story would make for a fascinating and inspiring episode, but as it transpired, the yarn - much like Ruth herself - proved difficult to contain and so, I proudly bring you the first episode in a two-part series. We start with Ruth at 18 lying to nuns about her experience and inadvertently signing up to volunteer at a charity, Josephite Community Aid, with refugees. Following a stint in Tanzania, an encephalopathy left Ruth with three weeks to live and the prognosis of a living in a group home after she failed to die. Not content with just surviving, Ruth completed a degree in psychology and left for Africa, this time, again inadvertently, landing an active conflict zone. She spent two years in Northern Uganda and witnessed the region transforming from a state of war to post-conflict society. When listening to Ruth, in her characteristically understated manner, we might be fooled - for just a moment - to believe her story is anything other than extraordinary, because it is. She possesses a generosity of spirit, that leaves very little room for ego. There is also a joyfulness in her manner, and despite the sometimes-horrifying and traumatic experiences, Ruth delivers humour and hope. We hope you enjoy episode one of Bearing Witness: The Backstory to the Creating Space Project Guest host Sarah Down interviews the usual host of the Creating Space Project, psychologist Ruth Nelson.…
Rachael Vincent talks about the emotional impact of the postal survey on same sex marriage, or marriage equality, in Australia. It has been frightening and deeply upsetting for the GLBTQIA community to be confronted with people's level of fear and hatred. "The license given to people to say things that would not normally be accepted." Swastikas painted. People assaulted. "This is a state-sanctioned homo-bashing festival." For Rachael, a white woman quite a long way up the privilege ladder, it is an insight into what it is like to always have to fight for your rights and your identity.…
Most of us aren't very good at changing our minds. Beliefs that we have held since childhood can be very resistant to change. If we have been raised to understand that marriage is between a man and a woman, we often believe that to be “natural” or the “way it should be.” This is especially true if we have been taught to link such a belief to our faith in God. It is easy, under those circumstances, to be swayed by fear and worry to say that change is wrong. It is easy to take on board the messages that children will be endangered, that society will be endangered, and to be closed to any evidence to the contrary. Rachael Vincent talks, with great love, of the three very conservative Christian women who very strongly shaped her as she grew up: Her two grandmothers and her godmother. When they realised that she was homosexual, their belief that God is love and their faith in the power of love, transcended any prejudice that could have led them to reject Rachael. It is, what she describes, as “ the miracle of changing one’s mind .” Rachael is hopeful that, over time, society will simply come to increasingly accept and welcome the queer community. Marriage equality, or same sex marriage, is simply another issue that modernity has brought to consciousness. As she says, “Gradually over time, just as the sea erodes a rock, we come to terms with these things.”…
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Mary is Chinese Australian, born in Fiji during World War Two. Mary believes her life is blessed. She is 76, the mother of 7 children, the grandmother of 5 children. Her Catholic faith strongly shapes the way that Mary sees the world. The three most important things in her life are loving God, your neighbour, and yourself. To her, loving yourself is very important. "I like this bit... We need to do the right thing by ourselves, look after ourselves." Despite the strength of her Catholic religious beliefs, she also believes that all religions are essentially good, "If we go back to their teachings, it is love God, love your neighbour as yourself." She also acknowledges that Catholicism is far from perfect. "A lot of harm has been done in the name of the church." Mary feels it is important to accept people for who they are. She says that she tries to be accepting, especially as she herself is not perfect, although sometimes, she finds that hard. Her deep faith in God leads her to have a basic trust in life, that things will work out for the best, even if that is not the way that we would have wanted. She loves life and hopes to be around for much longer, although she is not afraid of dying. "Basically I think that’s my life and I like to think I’m happy about it."…
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I interviewed Bern in her beautiful four-bedroom house, to the accompaniment of a budgie called Snowstripe. Like my home, it was strewn with toys and the walls were adorned with photos – a little child, loving parents. We were a few days late getting to the interview. Bern’s five-year-old child had been sick with the gastro bug going around Sydney. Bern works from home and had managed to squeeze me in between meetings on a warm spring morning. So, a normal mother, busy with work and parenting, in a normal family. As Bern said, “We have a 5-year-old child. Property, investments, insurances, wills, we have everything every other loving couple has. Apart from the right to have our relationship recognised by [Australian] law.” Bern volunteers with community organisations, including Park Run and Rainbow Families. She is warm, kind and welcoming. The values she learnt from her family of origin, in particular her father, are abundantly reflected in the life she leads: The importance of commitment to family, raising a child in a loving environment, treating others with respect and compassion, leading a life of integrity. It makes it feel very strange to know that GLBTQIA families like Bern’s are “on the receiving end of the negative feedback of this postal plebiscite debate, there’s lots of hate and horrible things being said about ourselves and our family and members of our community.” When it comes to marriage equality, in the words of Bern’s five-year-old, “Wouldn’t it be a really nice world if everybody voted yes?”…
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Imagine a teacher from primary school remembering you vividly, fifty years later. Sister Josephine Mitchell is a Josephite nun. A renowned champion of human rights and social justice, she is, among other roles, a former teacher, both in Australia and East Timor. Educare , she says, means to grow. Teaching means helping young people to grow and realise their dreams. Providing education and being a small part of someone’s life is, to her, a privilege. Sr Josephine tells a story about a little boy that she taught 50 years ago, on the banks of the Richmond River, in northern NSW. It seems, to me, remarkable, that she remembers individual students from so long ago. “I can remember that little kid and many many little kids like that.” “Most of the ones we dealt with in Timor really wanted to make something… they wanted to go further, but didn’t have any way to do it.” The criteria for accepting children into the schools she taught in in East Timor were simple: The children couldn’t afford to pay for an education. Sr Josephine is fiercely passionate about working to alleviate poverty and to respect human dignity. “A human person who is inhibited because… they’re not respected, they’re being persecuted, oppressed, living in poverty - in such poor conditions they can’t break out of that.” To her, such injustice is intolerable. She doesn’t see it as helping though. There is a condescension to helping someone. It’s about working towards freedom, and that is a mutual process. “They can reflect back to me who I am. Sometimes I’m not the most desirable sort of person and they can let me know that things aren’t going too well. They can affirm me. Their values, they can share with me, some things that I have not considered. Some of them overcome huge difficulties to keep developing. That’s heroic, some of them have very big obstacles.”…
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Sonia Muir is one of two women responsible for the Rural Women's Network, a government department in NSW, Australia. Set up in the 1990s in response to the isolation experience by women during the drought, there is still a need today to facilitate the connections between rural women, reducing isolation, acknowledging their hard work, and developing their confidence and self-esteem. This year is the 25th anniversary of the founding of the Network, and Sonia has been there for each of those years. She has met thousands of people in the course of her work. And each of them has meant something to her. For Sonia, this is meaningful work. It has an impact on people’s lives. It allows her to feel that the energy she expends is making a difference to someone. And, as she says, “ When you give of yourself and you give of your community, that comes back to you tenfold.”…
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“Through music you can express something that you can’t express in words and that you maybe don’t even know… it’s a line to the soul” Professional horn player, Carla Blackwood, performs Nocturno by Franz Strauss. From listening together to this short piece of music, a conversation opens up about the importance of music. Food for the soul, music reveals to us something of what it is to be human. Music lets us engage with the abstract and the intangible and, especially in a modern society that encourages us to focus on what is tangible and material, this is more important than ever. “There’s more to being human than our conscious reality.” Carla also talks about how music exposes that very human struggle between striving for perfection and the acceptance that, actually, perfection can never be attained. It’s a valuable life lesson, this notion of “listening kindly to yourself.” She reflects also on how music, memory and place become woven together and help form our identity. The importance of recognising your roots and where you are from, is one that is perhaps downplayed in Western cultures. But our “soul country” powerfully shapes the person we become.…
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Jill Asquith runs her own business in recruitment and employment. She started from her bedroom, just looking to make an income. Within a couple of months, she moved from being a sole trader to being a company. Two years later, her business works with a lot of big corporations. They have an Indigenous division where they focus on pre-employment and Indigenous participation. Jill talks about the importance of creating opportunities, not just for herself, but for others too. She talks, as well, about how you deal with failure and stay focused on your dreams. Jill's attitude provides fabulous insight into a growth mindset, and into the importance of hope and courage in pursuing challenges in life. "I’ve just got this belief that it’s going to happen and I’ve just got this hope that some way I will work out how it’s going to go or how it’s going to happen."…
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Cherie Johnson is passionate about Aboriginal education. I interviewed Cherie at the Indigenous Chamber of Commerce, while she participated in a program for entrepreneurs. While we spoke, she brought to life the landscape around us. Sydney Harbour is the traditional land of the Gadigal people. Long before colonisation by the British, this was a harbour into which whales came to breed. It had a rich social history, a shared space that saw peaceful trading with many other nations, including the Dutch and the Indonesians. When I studied history in Australia in the 1990s, we covered aspects of the histories of many nations. In Australian history, while certain aspects of colonisation were addressed, the Myall Creek Massacre being a notable stand out in my memory, this was not a focus of our education. The white settlers were the focus. I have no memory of being taught anything about Australian history prior to colonisation, which was often, and still is, referred to as the “early days” of Australia. Cherie believes passionately in the importance of Indigenising the Australian school curriculum. For example, Cherie means that we need to include much more Aboriginal content, such as teaching a history that doesn’t start with the colonisation of Australia. Cherie feels it is also important to recognise that, while Australian education is typically focused on verbal ways of learning, Aboriginal people, and many non-Aboriginals, learn much more through kinetic and visual ways: learning through having a go at a process and then solidifying the learning with the written process. These are topics that can be uncomfortable for non-Aboriginal Australians. An Aboriginal perspective can be a “ narrative that is foreign .” Cherie wants to support non-Aboriginal Australians to implement these perspectives, to talk about “topics that they don’t find completely comfortable but [are] navigating anyway.” Her sense of herself as an Aboriginal woman is ever-present in her story. For me, a settler woman, it was a privilege to listen to how Cherie’s understanding of her identity is located so strongly within her culture. A Wailwan woman, part of the Gomileroi language group, her family is from northern NSW. From a strong line of women, Cherie lives now on the land of the Awabakal people, not far north of Sydney, Australia. As Cherie says, “at the base of who I am, I’m an Aboriginal woman.” That means she will always ask herself what is important for her people, her community, her family network. It means being strong in herself. Cherie doesn't devalue the existing Australian education system. In fact, as well as raising her children and running her business, she is completing a PhD, seeking to empirically validate her beliefs about the importance of Aboriginal education. She hopes to bring together what is important in both Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal perspectives. As a non-Aboriginal, I am steeped in the settler narrative. My education and upbringing enculturated me into that focus. And, as Cherie said, it can be uncomfortable to take another perspective. But discomfort, really, is where growth lies. Sitting and listening to Cherie's perspective of this land created an expansive feeling. It was a glimpse into the way another person, another group of people, view and make sense of the world. As Cherie says, of the way her cultural identity shapes her life and her perspective, “it’s like the steering wheel of my life and my body.”…
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If you need a good yarn, Jacqui Cosgrove is your woman. Here, she tells a story about catching a burglar with her sister, many years ago. The story reflects the importance of community in Jacqui's life. She spends a lot of time volunteering, participating in community events and fundraising. Community provides her with encouragement and support. As one good story tends to lead onto another, it was fascinating to hear Jacqui talking about her early life. Jacqui was raised on a farm in the bush, in rural NSW, Australia. Her first home was a mud hut, made of rammed earth. Her mother and father were very community-oriented. She remembers family outings often being interrupted in order to help somebody they had come across. Her father, like his siblings, received his education by working at the school to earn it. This was a situation not uncommon in the bush at this time. He left at 13 to go out to work. Through the stories that Jacqui tells, it's not hard to spot the passing on of values through the generations of a family: Community, compassion, courage, and hard work.…
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This is a story about potential, effort and achievement. It’s also a story about disability. Peta Leseberg, from Bathurst, a country town in NSW, talks for the first time in her life about her disability. When she was born, she couldn’t breathe. As a child, she had slow development. Her childhood included a lot of time with specialists and therapists. Bullied in primary school, she chose MacKillop College, a private girls school for high school. Despite the loss of funding this entailed, her parents respected her decision. Her disability impacts on her life in many ways. Peta has some trouble speaking, due to poor muscle tone. This can lead to misunderstanding and frustration. Peta, in conversation, can be unsure whether people understand her or are just being polite. Another impact is the value she places on effort and achievement. Peta has a Bachelor of Arts degree, specialising in history. Education is important to her. Also, she spends much of her time volunteering in the community. It’s important to her to give back to the community, in part out of appreciation for the Disability Support Pension she receives. Peta understands the importance of not judging other people. Rather, always explore their potential. Peta realises it’s easy to judge another person, to see disability and assume that person lacks potential. The people who taught Peta to value herself were her parents, her godmother, and some teachers in high school, who encouraged her and valued her potential. Peta remembers vividly being told by her ancient history teacher, Mrs Kanarakis, that she would be a good teacher. While sometimes she wishes she didn’t have a disability, it strongly shapes her identity. “Sometimes I think I wish I didn’t have it, and sometimes I think, well, my disability’s got me this far, it hasn’t hindered it, why am I so afraid of it?”…
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Marghanita da Cruz is standing as a Greens candidate for the Leichhardt Ward in the forthcoming Inner West Council election. She took time from her campaign to talk to the Creating Space Project about cumquats. Cumquats are a small citrus fruit. The variety grown in Sydney can’t be eaten fresh, it’s too sour. Marghanita has a cumquat tree in her backyard. The fruit, she gives away to people who make cumquat jam. In this story, simple though it may seem, cumquat jam becomes a metaphor for the networks that emerge between people and between generations. I give you the cumquats from my tree, you give me some lemons. The making of cumquat jam is knowledge that is passed down through generations. There is value in holding onto this knowledge. Modern Western society often encourages us to purchase so much of our diet and to waste what we do not consume. The women who gather to make cumquat jam are custodians of a wisdom that took a long time to be achieved. It is the techniques for cooking that are learnt only through observation. It is the understanding that in times of glut, we can preserve our food for the future, rather than letting it spoil. The time spent together over an activity like jam-making is valuable too. It is time in which stories emerge. Marghanita recounts some of the stories of Hilma, an elder of Marghanita’s community who passed away two years ago, stories that teach us about the resilience of the human spirit. If you think about the wise women in your own life, when were the times during which you got to hear their stories? What were the activities in which you stood side by side while they imparted their wisdom? I loved listening to Marghanita. It got me thinking about my grandmother, the stories she would tell while we cracked almonds or made Christmas cake.…
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In this episode, we talk about mental health, suicidality and abortion. If you are triggered, please seek the support of caring people. In Australia, you could call Lifeline on 13 11 14. While Katie was at university, she became pregnant. Having children is something that Katie takes very seriously. It is not something to undertake lightly. Katie carefully considered all her options, thought them through, discussed them with appropriate people, and came to the conclusion that an abortion was the best choice for both her and for the potential life of the foetus. She was simply not the right person, at that time, to raise a child. Katie, a community lawyer and co-host of the Progressive Podcast Australia ( https://progressivepodcastaustralia.com ), is deeply committed to the values of justice and compassion. In this episode, we talk about how a person who is supportive of early abortion and a person who is opposed to early abortion may, in fact, hold very similar values. In issues that are potentially very polarising, we talk about the importance of seeking a balance of emotions and reasoning, of listening to people who do not share the same beliefs as us, and of acknowledging the truth, or validating, of experiences of people from all perspectives.…
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Have you heard of the Cove in Taiji, Japan? Ashley Avci has not only heard about it, she has been there. She has stood for long hours, days, weeks and months, a horrified witness to slaughter. She is a Cove Guardian with the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society. In this episode, she talks about her personal experiences in Taiji. Ashley has put her head into the water and listened to what can only be described as screaming, from pods of up to eighty dolphins and whales. And then, the silence when they are all dead, from great-grandparents down to the smallest calves. Passionately and fiercely opposed to the hunting of whales and dolphins, Ashley was quite prepared to accept the emotional toll that it has taken on her. It seemed an acceptable price for attempting to bring to the world’s attention and so, hopefully one day, stop this practice. To her, it is simply unacceptable to turn away from suffering and injustice. “I cannot sit back while I know there is so much hurt going on in the world.”…
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Aurelia Roper Tyler talks with Ruth Nelson about the damage to her family, home and community on learning that her house in Homebush was to be significantly impacted by the Westconnex development. Homebush Lost is the audio of a short film, of the same name, produced by Paula Rix and Ruth Nelson for Disconnex: Reframing the Resistance, an exhibition at the Chrissie Cotter gallery, showcasing art and salvage items connected with the Westconnex project, an urban motorway extension project in Sydney, Australia.…
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Clare works in a travel agency in a small town. She tells a story about a lady who had to leave where she was staying and was looking for new accommodation. Everything in the town appeared to be booked out. Rather than giving up, Clare persisted, eventually finding something with the assistance of a neighbouring shop. For Clare, the story reflects just how much she appreciates connection to other people. It also reflects how deeply she values people. “People are important and need to feel like they are cared for and connected to the rest of society.” In childhood, her parents frequently took in foster children, exchange students, and strays who just needed somewhere to stay. Clare believes this has powerfully influenced her. “My parents always put people before money and before possessions.” Clare acknowledges that this approach to the world can lead to her feeling as though others sometimes take advantage of her, and that she can have trouble saying no. For the joys that connection and helping bring her, however, Clare remains committed to her spirit of openness and making room for others. “I’m always willing to give things a go and assume the best in people.”…
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This is a story about finding the right religion. Sirisha respects all faiths and non-faiths. However, the religion of her childhood, Hinduism, did not resonate with her anymore and she embarked on a journey to find the core values in her life. “I needed something to ground me.” The religion she found was Islam. “It really made me a better person” She started to value the so-called little things of life, “the little blessings that I have in my life, clean water, and the people that I have and the relationships that I hold.” Becoming a Muslim has come at a cost. Sirisha lost friendships. She is frequently expected to justify her choice and encounters the hostility which routinely meets Muslims in Sydney. Sirisha also has the ongoing internal struggle to separate her religion from the people who claim to represent Islam and use it as an excuse to commit heinous acts of violence. “You’re constantly dealing with a lot of grief.” Sirisha uses the teachings of Islam to centre herself. “The way you find hope is stick to why you chose that path in the first place.” Sirisha examines her conscience daily, holding herself to a very high standard. “What are you doing? How are you responding to your own self? It’s constantly a struggle with yourself really.” Contributing to society, in small ways and large, is extremely important to Sirisha, from the relatively small acts of smiling at people, to larger projects of working to alleviate poverty. This is important to her because it is central to her personal value system. It is also important because, in a climate where Muslim and non-Muslim appear increasingly polarised, it is necessary work to demonstrate that the majority of Muslims are good, hard working people, who follow the teachings of their faith and are a positive force in the society in which they live. As Sirisha concludes, being part of the society that you grew up in is important. "Even if you change something personal about you, that shouldn’t really change who you are."…
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In Women of Sudan Part Two, five Sudanese mothers talk with remarkable honesty about the struggles of learning to raise children in a society radically different to where they themselves grew up. From a village lifestyle, without money and surrounded by people who know you and step in to help, to a Western city, where teenagers have debit cards and are not accountable to most of the people around them, these parents encounter problems they have never seen before. Recognising that many of the techniques they knew in their homeland are not appropriate here, such as corporal punishment, and tired from the seemingly endless tasks of learning to integrate into a new country, such as learning the language, understanding the housing system and finding somewhere affordable to live, training for and finding work, learning to use public transport, all underpinned by the trauma which they carry from the civil war in Sudan, it is little wonder that the task of learning an entirely new approach to parenting sometimes feels impossible. In a life where they no longer have an extended family network to turn to, these mothers often feel quite lonely and isolated, sometimes to the point of wanting to give up. Their resilience comes, in part, from gathering together, from the solace of friends.…
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The Nuba Mountains are a remote region of northern Sudan, in South Kordofan. The Nuba are various Indigenous tribes who inhabit the region. Abyei lies further to the south and was also part of South Kordofan. It is just north of the border with South Sudan. Abyei Area, rich in oil, is disputed territory between Sudan and South Sudan. I remember being in Nimule in 2007, listening to troop carriers in the night driving north to Abyei, when the Comprehensive Peace Agreement was allegedly in place. Five women, Muslim and Christian, who arrived in Australia as refugees from these two areas talk to Jodie Heterick and I about their homeland. Jodie and I learn about the 99 mountains of Nuba, about building your home, scarification, dance, and war. These are beautiful, strong women. From hiding in the rocks from aeroplanes dropping bombs on schools, to adapting to modern life in Khartoum where you must pay for things and are looked down on for your traditional practices, to building a new life in western Sydney, this is a fascinating insight into the tumult of seeking refuge. Apologies, however, for the quality of the sound. With the number of children and number of languages* that the seven of us had between us, it is amazing that we got such a coherent conversation. The Sudanese politicians referred to when the women are describing the topics of songs are: Omar Al-Bashir - the President of Sudan; Yousif Kuwa – the leader of Nuba; Salva Kirr – the President of South Sudan; John Garang – who led the Sudan People’s Liberation Army in the 2nd Sudanese Civil War, and then was the First Vice President of Sudan until his death in a helicopter crash in 2005. He is considered a hero in Sudan. * I only had one of those languages. I am in awe of these women with their 3 or 4 languages.…
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Alison Harrington is a formidable woman. She is a woman with a great deal to teach the world about creating a life of meaning and purpose. Alison is also a fabulous illustration of Carol Dweck’s “growth mindset,” which is about the underlying beliefs people have about learning. A social entrepreneur, Alison tells the Creating Space Project a simple story about getting seniors to dance around nursing homes with silent disco technology. “I’m really fascinated by how we can use this technology to improve the outcomes for people with dementia and basically make people healthier and happier.” Alison has a post-graduate degree in social impact. “It’s incredibly gratifying to do something where you effect the emotional outcome of people, particularly people who may not have great circumstances.” Alison has undertaken a number of entrepreneurial enterprises. “It’s always great for me when I’m creating something entirely new.” New business ventures are a risk. For some people, that is such a daunting prospect, that they retreat from their ideas. For Alison, it is a lure. She values testing the limits. She’s a pioneer and she values failure. “It’s always a combination of fear and excitement. It’s that trepidation, it’s that stepping over the edge.” Alison explains that failure isn’t something to avoid. It’s a necessary part of growth. It’s better to take an opportunity, to say yes and fail, than to let it go due to not knowing whether you can do it or not. “Even if you tried doing it and you can’t do it all, you might get 80% and everything is about learning.” Alison describes the sensation of taking the risk of moving forwards in business as like going over a cliff. “The image I have is abseiling.” But, she says, not only do you have to go over the cliff, the more you do it, the more accustomed to the sensation you become. Being a social entrepreneur is about creating businesses or value in the social sector, Alison says. Using innovation to improve the outcomes for another human being. “It ultimately comes down to impacting another person at the most basic level.” It has taken Alison many years to get to where she is in her career now. She describes it as being a place where she is authentic to the elements that drive her: The creative, entrepreneurial side; and the social side, which is about providing something meaningful and purposeful for the world. As Alison says, “The funny thing is all the failures and all the experiences have all helped me, in a way, be where I am today.”…
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Climate change is impacting agriculture. “We know it’s going to bring different weather conditions, and hotter conditions, less water, more freak events that will ruin crops eventually. It is scary but it’s interesting to see the way it will react with our crops in the future.” Grace studied agriculture and now works as a microbiologist. She tests pharmaceuticals for the presence of bacteria. “Which I’m hoping will give me experience for agriculture, because agriculture really relies on the use of microorganisms.” At the moment, agriculture uses nitrogen fertiliser to increase crop yields. The problem is that this is bad for the environment and can be costly. Grace is interested in how bacteria can be used to meet that nitrogen requirement instead. “Because there are lots of bacteria that instead of using oxygen to respire, like we do, use nitrogen. And the product of that kind of breathing is that they basically produce fertiliser.” She is fascinated by bacteria. They have interesting structures and colours. “We grew one and it looked like this crazy alien spreading tree root shape… they’re incredible.” Grace is also motivated to find ways to ensure food security, particularly under the changing conditions brought about by climate change. “The environment is the most important thing that you deal with. It provides your land, your water, some of your fertiliser requirements. So obviously it makes sense to protect it.” A lot of research is required to map the effects of climate change. “They see more changes in the life cycle of insects that could damage crops, and also the migratory cycles of birds, they’re just seeing that here… subtle changes, but they’re mapping these changes.” Grace explains that agriculture is also impacted by biotic stressors. “It might be interesting to see how climate change might affect these types of beneficial bacteria as well. I guess, these bacteria rely on nitrogen in the air. So if that balance is thrown off by carbon dioxide in the air, I don’t think it would be enough to do anything, but it might be interesting to see what happens to them.”…
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Mikell works in technology. “I’ve been in technology now for more than a decade professionally and this topic of harassment and sexism and discrimination in tech comes up repeatedly.” As a teenager, in a robotics competition, she and every other member of her all-girls team were groped in a human tunnel. They were assisted by their male mentors to effectively address this situation. It taught her about the value of men who are prepared to listen to and accept women’s experiences. “The reasons I’m in tech still and haven’t kind of given up is that I have had very good allies. I have had men who they do their best to be empathetic, they do their best to support me. They take me seriously when I say there’s a problem.” At university, studying engineering, Mikell made friends predominantly with males. She identified it as a coping mechanism for being in a male-dominated field. She looked down upon traditionally feminine ways of dressing and behaving. “It took a real mental shift for me to basically deal with what was effectively internalised misogyny and be willing to be overtly feminine and be willing to be friends with women and to try to nurture those friendships.” Mikell has long prided herself on being skilled at dealing effectively with sexist men, in order to get her job done. It is a work in progress towards not taking responsibility for managing their sexist behaviours. She reflected back to the experience of being groped as a teenager. “Our whole experience really hinged on the fact that we were a group of women who had all just had the same experience. We talked to each other, we agreed that we weren’t crazy, that this had actually happened and we went together as a united front to deal with it.” Mikell still experiences gratitude to the young men who were so supportive of the adolescent girls. She also draws the conclusion that in addressing sexism and harassment, male allies and female solidarity is crucial in effecting change. “There is strength in numbers in these kinds of situations and not allowing women or other minorities in tech to leverage that is a dangerous thing.”…
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“Being an Aboriginal midwife is my absolute passion.” Leona McGrath has just participated in the Walk with Midwifes, as part of closing the gap for Indigenous health outcomes in Australia. “When I had my own children, I often say that if I had another black face in the clinic, in the birthing room, on the postnatal ward, I know my experience would have been a whole lot different.” Her reason for wanting to become a midwife was to look after her own people. Leona was aware of the health disparities in Australia. But she was horrified to learn, at university, just how bad infant and maternal Aboriginal health outcomes are. This knowledge spurred her on, a single parent, to complete her Bachelor of Midwifery. Leona’s family story shapes her as the strong and passionate person she is today. Her great-grandmother, a Woppaburra woman from Great Keppel Island, was taken to the mainland in chains. “I say I’m the person I am today because of her. There’s something that’s come from my Big Nanna.” Her mother, a beautiful and incredibly strong woman, was born in 1952 and grew up at risk of being taken from her family by the government, as part of the Stolen Generation. “My grandfather just kept moving everybody around. Because he… didn’t want them taken. And a lot of horrible things happened to my mum.” It was a privilege to sit and listen to Leona talk. The sense she evoked of her family and culture was powerful, a spiritual experience. As she said, “We wouldn’t be here without our elders and how strong they were.”…
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Kath has a costume shop in an Australian country town. She sells costumes, armoury, live action role play gear, weapons, pop culture and other paraphernalia. She loves cosplay and the way it allows you to express yourself and be who you are. She talks in this interview about some of the factors that have enabled her to succeed in running her own business, namely the support from her family. Kath is passionate, she’s a hard worker, and she’s comfortable taking risk. Her mother, who died a few years ago, raised her to “not pass through life.” Kath is teaching her kids that they can do anything they want in life. But, she acknowledges that this is a measure of privilege, as are the circumstances that have allowed her to succeed in business. "I would like them to follow their passions and not be put in a box and whatever they want to do in life, they can do. Once again, I wonder whether I’m raising them that way because I have been a little bit privileged. I feel safe that they will be safe to do that."…
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Sophie is part of the Youth Food Movement - which is about providing a way for young people to have conversations about food and health, to inspire them to eat better, buy and waste less, share more and enjoy the food experience. Sophie had a "negative relationship with food" as a child and teenager. In her mid-twenties, she began caring for a young girl with Type One Diabetes. This afforded Sophie new insights into her food choices. A curiosity as to where our food comes from, how well it is produced, and how it can be grown, led her into studying Sustainable Agriculture and Food Security. Her hope is to "transform my negative relationship with food in the past to something where I could really help people." Sophie is passionate about food security, which she describes as when people "have access to the types of food and the amounts of food they need to lead a happy, healthy active life." The Youth Food Movement, for Sophie, is about addressing food security: "There seems to be a lot of problems at the moment which are really centred around food. Food waste and then lack of food security. People are obese, people are getting chronic diseases, there are lots of issues revolving around food. They’re not easy to fix but they can be. The Youth Food Movement’s largely centred on preventing these problems." As Sophie says, "I do really want to make a positive difference in people’s lives. Because otherwise, what’s the point? What are we doing here?"…
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Anna Chisolm is a whole food plant-based health coach. Formerly a social worker, she uses her skills to help people, especially those with chronic health conditions, transition to diets that help them heal their bodies. “If it was as easy as getting the information, we’d all be fit and healthy. My skills in counselling and social work have really played a big role in why I’ve been successful as a health coach – I can really help people with that behaviour change.” She moved from social work into this area because she had embraced this way of eating herself and found herself to be so much healthier and happier. It came naturally to her to want to educate others on this healthy lifestyle. “So important for me to do something I’m passionate about and believe in myself and trust my gut instincts.”…
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Sr Monica is the leader of the Sisters of St Joseph in Australia. She tells a simple story of an encounter with a man on a train. From this story, emerge themes of dignity, courage, the looks of other people, the ongoing work of seeking non-judgement, and how it is the unfamiliar place that is the catalyst for growth.…
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MC Free, a remarkable young woman from a Cook Island/Tongan background, works for Rap 4 Change, a hip hop outreach educational program in the outer western suburbs of Sydney, Australia. She works with all sorts of kids – disabled, transgender, diverse cultural backgrounds, both in the community and in juvenile detention. Her personal background, of abuse and living on the streets, gives her common ground to reach out to these kids. Free's passion in life is helping them discover their worth.…
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Ruth Wells works with Syrian refugees in a psychosocial organisation in Gaziantep, a town in the south-east of Turkey, 50km north of the Syrian border. Most of her colleagues are Muslim and wear the hijab. As a non-Muslim Australian woman, Ruth reflects non-judgementally on what it is like being in a context where “gender is a little bit different to what I’m used to and what that has meant about what role I get assigned in those contexts.” Constructs of gender, sexuality, religion, power and the body emerge from this story. So does a surprising amount of laughter, despite our awareness of the backdrop, which is the horrors being perpetrated against Syrians. Ruth reflects on the importance of admitting that you don’t know, and of seeking the meaning in someone else's life. “I feel like the work that I do, because it’s outside my own culture, there’s a danger of it being kind of potentially paternalistic or judgmental or whatever. So I feel like I need to have this other current that runs the other way which is about watching and observing and appreciating and trying to find the things there that are valuable to people, because surely, that’s what people are building their lives on, the things that they value.”…
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In an earlier episode of this podcast, Standing Your Ground , I interviewed three women occupying a house in the inner west of Sydney, Australia. The house was slated for demolition and the four of us sat in the grounds of the house around a table, with imaginary cups of tea, until we were arrested. The purpose was to protest against Westconnex, an urban motorway extension in Sydney. The research indicates that urban motorway extensions, as well as being exorbitantly expensive, are damaging to health, community and environment, and actually encourage more cars onto the road. Based on a still from a Russ Hermann video, Janet, a Sydney-based artist, created a painting depicting the four of us at the occupation. Inspired by This Changes Everything and a talk given by Naomi Klein as part of the Sydney Peace Prize, Janet entered into environmental activism and non-violent direct action about a year ago. She became involved with the anti-Westconnex campaign in Sydney, through No Westconnex Public Transport and Save Sydney Park. In this interview, Janet talks about how she uses her artistic passion and skills in her efforts to generate meaningful action on climate change, global warming and reducing the use of fossil fuels.…
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June Alexander grew up in a rural area of Australia. When she was 11 years old, she was diagnosed with anorexia nervosa, an eating disorder. “Why can’t you behave like other girls?” her mother asked. She was also given a diary. “I was smitten, I found if I could write, I could connect with the outside world.” Writing a diary became a survival tool, a way of connecting with the outside world. “It became a way of sharing thoughts that were crowding my mind and I had no one to share them with.” However, at the same time, the diary was also aligning itself with her mental illness. “It became a way for the illness to emphasise rules and regimented life style.” When she received a correct diagnosis in her 30s, she started a long recovery journey. With guidance and help from a treatment team, the diaries became a healing tool. They became part of a process of discovering herself. In her 50s, June realised the role that the diary had played in her life. She also came to realise the possibilities for other people in using diary writing as part of their recovery from an eating disorders. June has written a memoir, A Girl Called Tim , and in 2014, she began connecting with other diary writers. Her hope was to write a book about how diary writing was helpful to her. “The response was amazing. It was swift. In 24 hours, I had a hundred replies. I developed an ongoing relationship with seventy of them and they shared their raw diary excerpts from their private journals with me.” This was the material used to create a book, The Diary Healer , about using writing as a therapy for eating disorders. June spends her time reaching out, in various ways, to support people struggling with mental illness. “Recovery is indeed possible at every age. And that’s the message that I love to give to people.” If you want to learn more about the work of June Alexander, please visit www.diaryhealer.com…
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Jodie asks her husband’s grandmother, Marlys, about moving to Australia, pregnant, and becoming a new mother. At the time, her husband had started a new job and was extremely busy. Where they lived, they had no family support. It may have been decades ago, but it’s a familiar story for so many women: Morning sickness. Isolation. Loneliness. Feeling “totally abandoned.” The overwhelming changes – to your body, to yourself, to your relationship with the baby’s father. That sense that you just don’t know what you’re doing. That you’re struggling. That doubt in the life you have chosen. “A time of great crisis.” “Everything around me had crashed.” “Looking back, I wonder how I managed. Somehow you got through it.” Then there’s learning to breastfeed, learning to bathe the baby. There’s feeling helpless, feeling “like a cow.” There’s the feeling that being a mother should come naturally, and a sense of failure to feeling like you don’t know what you’re doing. “I’ve got one job right now, and I can’t do it.” Amidst all that baby sweetness, learning to parent can be really really tough. Especially if, like Marlys, you have what we now know to be post-natal depression.…
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Marlys grew up on the border of Switzerland and Germany, in a rural village, at the time of World War Two. She describes her childhood as simple and very basic. Nothing was ever wasted. Marlos vividly evokes those days for us – wind rippling through cornfields, pedalling uphill from school and fighting with her sister. Frugality, respect, and working hard are the themes in this interview. This is the story your grandmother tells you about different times. It's beautiful and strangely comforting.…
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"The elders come and we sit around and have a yarn. We sit around and tell each other stories." Jayarna is Indigenous. As a child, her father left. As a result, she became disconnected from her culture. Now, as an adult, she and her father have rebuilt a relationship. She has reconnected with her Aboriginal culture, which she describes as being a relationship. “It’s like something’s missing and next minute you don’t feel that anymore. And something’s filled it.” This is a story to warm you in a time when the world seems bleak. It’s about valuing culture and family. It’s about developing your own sense of spirituality. It’s a story from an inspirational and humble woman. It was an honour to listen to her.…
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Ngan arrived in Australia as a 6-year-old with her family. The second time they tried to escape from Vietnam, she was 2 years old. The boat capsized in a storm, and her father kept her and her 4-year-old brother afloat, with her mother, until they were rescued. They spent four years in a camp before being given a visa to come to Australia as refugees. In this interview, we hear about what it’s like to settle as a refugee in Australia, coping with bullies at school, feeling grateful for support from the Australian community, and exploring the question of where you belong. This interview reinforces my sense of gratitude that Australia has refugees. Ngan is a powerful force for social good. She has spent most of her adult life supporting others who are in need.…
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Ngan loves to travel. “Travelling and meeting people gives me that sense of belonging and then identity, and understanding where I fit in this world.” During a year of travelling the world, Ngan and her partner spent her birthday in Iceland. The experience, anticipated for ten years, was magical. “It’s a space that’s so uninhabited by people.” Volcano ash. Fertile soil. Grass in abundance. Snow capped mountains. Waterfalls with double rainbows. Drinking cold fresh water from streams that flowed down from the glacier. “As if I’m a child again and I’m rediscovering all these new things around me.” Being in Iceland, in the enormity of its physicality, was a spiritual experience. It highlighted Ngan’s values of being connected with nature, of being conscious that she is part of a bigger picture. The human, physical and spiritual forms of this world intertwine and co-inhabit, and in Iceland, Ngan was able to be very conscious of that, as well as of an inner space and freedom that opened up inside her. “Being in a space like Iceland, it’s just made me more self-aware of my space and where that relates to, I suppose, the world.”…
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As a non-Muslim, I am unfamiliar with the Quran. So, I decided to go to Lakemba Mosque, in Sydney, where I was made to feel exceptionally welcome. I asked a young Muslim woman to share with me a verse that she finds particularly inspiring. The result is this interview. Chapter 39 Verse 53 "Say Oh my servants who have transgressed against themselves by sinning, do not despair of the mercy of Allah. Indeed, Allah forgives all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the forgiving, the merciful." For this young woman, this verse is about hope. It is an inspiration to be a better person. She believes it is important to have a balance of hope and fear in life. She believes it is important to have a connection to something in life and, for her, that is religion. My hope, for this interview, is that in listening, there is the opportunity to learn about what another person holds in common with me, as well as to simply notice, without judgement, what it is that separates us.…
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Always the Fourth Floor is the podcast episode you get when the sound guy needs a break. It's a song written by myself, Ruth Nelson, and Ben Munday. Always the Fourth Floor is about working with refugees, newly arrived in Sydney, Australia. We're not professional musicians. We just love music. I've been pretty nervous about uploading this as an episode. But I guess I value taking a risk, especially the risk of failing and looking foolish. And my three year old keeps getting me to play this episode over and over. So... here it is. Hope you enjoy the song. If you don't, forgive me and don't unsubscribe! We'll be back to normal the episode after next! Thanks for your patience.…
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My cousin’s daughter, Amy, is turning 21. As a birthday present for her, I interviewed her grandmother, Carolyn. She told me about a phone call, in 1995, telling her that Amy, her first grandchild, had been born. The birth of the first grandchild is an important and very happy occasion. “In the background I could hear little sniffles.” “A little cradle… a little darkhaired, rounded baby.” Carolyn hopes that Amy understands how much she is loved by her family and extended family. Carolyn deeply values the preciousness of life, and the importance of family. “The birth of that child was so important.” She hopes that, when Amy is a grandmother herself, she tells her grandchildren stories of her early life with Carolyn and other family members, and that Amy appreciates the time she gets to spend with those children.…
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Christine met Rodney in a boarding house in Sydney. She introduced herself to him and the two fell in love. That’s as simple, and as complicated, as this story gets. They go bowling and are known to friends as the lovebirds. He said “I don’t want to lose you.” They hope to get married. Christine wants to wear a white dress and a veil. They are saving for a honeymoon on a cruise ship. There are many losses in life. Christine and Rodney have both had their share. Christmas Day, for Christine, as for so many people, is a very sad time. “Because at Christmas, it’s my mother’s birthday.” But, for Christine, Christmas with Rodney feels good. She gets to put down her sadness. “I’m happy with him.” Isn't that a lot to be grateful for? To be happy with the person you love. This interview is about simple abundance.…
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Creating Space Project

“They’re talking about my brain MRIs and my blood tests and all my clinical symptoms and then just as an aside to me, when something is happening in the discussion, my specialist says ‘Because you tested positive for these antibodies, by the way,’ and this was the first I’d heard of this diagnosis.” Rhiannon was grateful to receive a diagnosis and for the quality of medical care she is receiving. At the same time, she felt powerless and excluded to learn of her diagnosis in a presentation of her case by her specialist to the immunology team. “I guess I was expecting… that would change everything, like when I had the diagnosis, I would suddenly be able to start acting and be more focused and positive, and it would be this moment when I could take charge of my illness. And I think, the way I found out, made it really clear that was not in fact going to change anything.” It wasn’t until she listened back to the story we recorded, that Rhiannon realised how hurt she felt about the experience. “If you asked me right after I’d told it, before you played it back, I would have said control. I value control… But... I value the feeling that my feelings matter as well.”…
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