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Lost in the Wilderness

Karl Stevens and Daniel Bogard

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Every week Karl Stevens (the priest) and Daniel Bogard (the rabbi) engage in Chevruta study of scripture. We started with the Book of Exodus in 2017, and will be moving on the the Gospel of Luke and the Acts of the Apostles in 2018. Lost in the Wilderness is made possible by generous contributions from Christ Church Cathedral and the Diocese of Southern Ohio. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Daniel and Karl are joined by Hattie Koher, a Methodist youth pastor and old college friend of Daniel's for an episode that's all about the ephod. In addition to talking about priestly bling, we also get into a discussions of wealth and religion, the meaning of ordination, and whether its ethical to use blue snails for dye. Hosted on Acast. See aca…
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Karl and Daniel are joined by Cantor Joshua Finkel of Shir Hadesh Reconstructionist Community in Saint Louis. Which is a relief because, frankly, Ch. 37 of Exodus is more tedious repetition of what we've read before. So we spend about ten minutes reading it and the rest of time on the history of the different branches of Judaism (orthodox, conserva…
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The great Robert Alter describes Chapter 36 as the greatest example of extravagant repetition in the entire book of Exodus. That doesn't mean that it can't be fun! Karl and Daniel use this opportunity to talk about repetition in religious life, and about how a call to justice might work in accordance with a pacific spirituality that seeks to hold t…
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Is Judaism a religion or a people? What does identity mean, and how many can we have and still be coherent? Is it better to be consumerist or materialist? And what lengths will Daniel go to in order to ensure a good night's sleep? Join us as we dive into all these questions and more in our discussion of Ch. 35 of Exodus! Hosted on Acast. See acast.…
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We recorded a podcast last week, but then a terrible technical snafu took it away from us. And I'll be gone next week, and Daniel will be moving the following week. So we'll be on a brief hiatus until mid-June. -Karl Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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This week we finally take a deep dive into Daniel's favorite rabbi, the 12th c. Spanish philosopher Maimonides, also known as Rambam. Which means that we get super philosophical, talking about God and nature and the limits of human knowledge. Oh, and also about Moses and ch. 33 of Exodus. Plus one really terrible butt joke (because we only like to …
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At last, we have come to the much anticipated Ch. 32, when God sends Moses down the mountain to break up a wild party and, more importantly, stop the chosen people from worshipping idols. Hot stuff! And Daniel has provided four and a half pages of midrash to go with it! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…
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Exodus 31 is great for artists and crafts people, and great for people who just need a day of rest! Karl and Daniel spend about thirty minutes talking about the first seventeen verses, and then thirty minutes talking about verse 18 alone! That's one great verse. Plus, Daniel tells the joke that gives our episode it's name. Hosted on Acast. See acas…
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Daniel and Karl are joined by Rabbi Miriam Terlinchamp as we delve into Ch. 30, learn that Gehenna isn't just a suburb of Columbus, reflect on giving and justice, and consider the ethics of counting people. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Daniel and Karl go deep into the weeds of ordination rituals for the High Priest as they read Exodus 30. Along the way, they throw in some thoughts about Jerusalem Syndrome, the sad life of Schmuel the Ephod Cleaner, and the religious call to assist in the completion of creation. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…
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Daniel and Karl are joined by Rabbi Daniel Vaisrub, and many things are revealed about Judaism that Karl never knew. Such as the apocalyptic hope that the third temple will descend from on high and that the ephod might just look like the costume of a French princess. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…
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Ch. 27 of Exodus is all about the tabernacle (what a surprise, given that it's been the theme of the last few weeks). But Karl and Daniel find a way to talk about sin, and the way that both Judaism and Christianity are reinterpreting the concept of sin in terms of modernism. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…
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Daniel and Karl are joined by members of Saint Andrew's, Evanston as they discuss Ch. 26, a chapter mostly composed of instructions for building the tabernacle. And yet somehow they manage to wander into discussions of unicorn creation myths and when to take a bathroom break in the middle of synagogue services. Who says that cubits can't be fun! Ho…
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Acolytes and Altar Guild members, rejoice! We have now gotten to the part of Exodus that deals with liturgy, describing all of the wonderful implementa of the tabernacle with glittering adjectives (mostly because everything is gold plated). Daniel and Karl let their inner liturgists off the leash and get so metaphysical that it's almost psychedelic…
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Okay, it's a weird title, but we sure amused ourselves as we talked about Exodus 24, in which Moses and friends are somehow back at the foot of the mountain and about to go up it for the first time, even though Moses has been at the top of Mt. Sinai for the last four chapters. You can see why we got a little wacky. Enjoy! Hosted on Acast. See acast…
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Daniel and Karl record live in front of an audience at Christ Church Cathedral in Cincinnati. The audience was amazing in contributing to our chevruta Bible study of chapter 23. We took questions and heard from a variety of readers as we went. Enjoy! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…
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There's a whole lotta law going on in Chapter 22 of Exodus, but it leads Daniel and Karl into discussions of King David and the Northern and Southern Kingdoms, the Babylonian Exile and, oh yeah, Exodus. Join us! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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We're still at Mt. Sinai (after all, we just got there) and the law is getting more and more exact and elaborate. This week it also becomes downright unpleasant, as we have to contemplate the fact that the Israelites are now enslaving each other, not to mention the sad fate of pre-teen girls in much of the ancient world. Plus, ox goring. Hosted on …
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What are all those courthouse monuments and bulletin boards on the highway all about, anyway? The Ten Commandments might form the basis of civil society in the west, or they might be a specific set of rules given to a specific group of people at a specific time, or they might be the Jews' great gift to the moral universe. Or, possibly, all three. A…
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All right, we've finally arrived at Mount Sinai! And it only took 19 chapters and 20 episodes. As Daniel says, all the most famous midrashim speak to this moment of Exodus. In our discussion, we touch on cultural appropriation, our legacy to future generations, and what exactly the Holy Spirit is. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more inf…
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Let's face it, Jethro must have been one of history's top five father-in-laws. In Ch. 18 of Exodus, he visits Moses and shows him how to set-up a bureaucracy. In our current context, this might seem like an odd thing to be admired for. But can bureaucracies be good, even holy? Karl and Daniel debate this contentious issue of our time. SHOW NOTE: TH…
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As they dive into ch. 17, Karl and Daniel talk about sin and evil, and the understanding of Amalek in Judaism. How should we think about and treat our enemies? How should we confront the evil in ourselves? The rabbinic tradition has managed to wring some weighty questions out of a relatively short chapter. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for…
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This week Daniel and Karl are joined by Cantor Cheryl Wunch, calling in from Toronto to sing portions of Chapter 15 of Exodus, answer all of Karl's questions about cantors in general, and reflect on (of course) the nature of God and humanity. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…
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The Israelites have finally gotten to the Reed Sea, the Pillar of Fire and the Pillar of Cloud are introduced into the story, and (oddly) Job makes a cameo appearance in the midrash. What could be more fun than that? Join Daniel and Karl as they discuss Exodus Chapter 15. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…
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This week Daniel and Karl are joined again by Robin Holland for their investigation of Exodus 13. Daniel gives us the lowdown on a lot of Jewish practice, including the use of tefillin (in English, phylacteries) in prayer. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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This week Daniel and Karl are joined by the great Phyllis Spiegel as they delve into Exodus, Ch. 11. On the surface, Ch. 11 seems like a lot of throat-clearing for Ch. 12. But it does, in fact, allow us to ask the most profound questions about God and society. If you're interested in that kind of thing, this podcast is for you! Hosted on Acast. See…
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Daniel and Karl use Chapter 9 of Exodus as an opportunity to talk about idealism and realism, trauma and hope. In particular, they discuss ideas articulated in Rabbi David Hartman's article "Auschwitz or Sinai?" Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Karl, Robin and Daniel delve into Exodus, Ch. 8, the plagues, the nature of good and evil, the nature of mercy and justice, and all the other large and intense questions, with a little midrashic humor thrown in. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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This week Daniel and Karl are joined by Robin Holland for their discussion of Exodus Chapter 7. The plagues begin! There are magical battles between the Levite Bros. and Pharaoh! And we get to ask questions about free will, systems of dominance, and the natural creation. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…
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Daniel and Karl are joined by Maggie Leidheiser-Stoddard to discuss Exodus Chapter 6, a chapter full of quarreling with God, insecurity about leadership, and lots and lots of genealogy. We all ended up feeling sorry for Moses, and wondering why verses 26 and 27 go out of their way to assure us that it's the Moses and Aaron the descendants of Levi w…
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