How to Integrate AI in the Dev Process 🪄 — with Ori Keren

Refactoring Podcast

Today's guest is Ori Keren, who is CEO and co-founder of LinearB and has more than 25 years of experience in the industry, especially in developer experience and productivity.
With Ori, we talked about how AI is infiltrating all the stages of the development process, from coding to testing to code reviews. We discussed how AI is already restructuring teams and how engineering leaders can drive adoption by combining culture, small wins and full moon shots.

01:07 Introduction
01:59 Development productivity in 2025
08:29 Code creation process and AI
10:46 Coding and bottlenecks
15:05 Cognitive unload using AI
16:48 The journey of AI adoption
21:50 AI native environment
24:57 How teams are changing
28:35 More AI = More development
30:40 The skeptcisim about coding with AI
33:50 Removing the toil from coding
35:31 AI help outside coding
41:50 How to integrate AI in a company
44:38 Go with the (AI) flow
45:34 Education in prompting
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