PTFO - The Butthole Story (Or: A Thoughtful Conversation with Sue Bird and Ezra Edelman)

Le Batard & Friends Network

This year has seen a boom in the worlds of women's sports and documentary films (and podcasting). So we invited the best point guard in the history of women's basketball (Sue Bird) and the best documentarian in the country (O.J.: Made in America's Ezra Edelman) for an in-person summit to discuss all of it. Plus: one-word answers from multi-hyphenates, wanting control, the good-faith mind games of talking to refs, the bad-faith ickiness of extracting controversy, the Billie Jean King of it all... and why the hard's not as hard, when you're doing the thing you were meant to be doing — even when it's hard.

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