136/ When War Gets Normalized, Or What's At Stake in Ukraine w/ Mariam Naiem and Romeo Kokriatski

The Fire These Times

I'm joined again by friends of the pod Ukrainian researcher Mariam Naiem and journalist Romeo Kokriatski to talk about why Ukrainians understood very quickly what's at stake, how war leads to frozen temporalities, and why Russia is so obsessed with kidnapping Ukrainian children (which, by the way, is a war crime). Slava Ukraini!

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Mentions and Book Recommendations:

• Kobzar by Taras Shevchenko

• Love in Defiance of Pain: Ukrainian Stories by Ali Kinsella, Zenia Tompkins and Ross Ufberg

• Bloodlands by Timothy Snyder

Credits:

Host: Joey Ayoub
Producer: Joey Ayoub
Music: ⁠Rap and Revenge⁠
Main theme design: ⁠Wenyi Geng⁠
Sound editor: Artin Salimi
Episode design: Joey Ayoub

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