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Research tells us that 90% of all financial decisions are made emotionally, not logically. For nearly four decades, Rick Kahler, CFP®, CFT-I™, has helped people make better money decisions. What makes his financial world view different from most financial experts? He blend the nuts and bolts of financial advice with the emotions that drive making them. Every financial behavior, whether it appears illogical to you or others, makes perfect sense when we understand the underlying beliefs, feeli ...
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Financial Therapy

Jane Monica-Jones

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Where did you learn about money? If you were lucky enough, maybe you learnt how to manage money from yours parents. Or you have made it a life-long pursuit … gaining investment advice from professionals, programs or even wealth creation gurus. But what about learning about money from psychologists, behavioural scientists and even environmentalists. Welcome to Financial Therapy, I’m your host Jane Monica-Jones and I am a Financial Therapist. I’m the therapist you go and see, with your bank ac ...
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Have you ever spotted a coin on the ground and had an internal debate about picking it up? That seemingly insignificant decision might actually reveal a lot about your unconscious beliefs around money. We tend to develop "money scripts" - deeply held assumptions about wealth, abundance, and our own financial worthiness. Would you bend over for a pe…
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Dive deeper with Dr. Prince Sarpong and Rick as they discuss the complex relationship between financial freedom and community harmony. Discover how embracing healthy boundaries within the Ubuntu philosophy can unlock true liberation. Learn how prioritizing relational well-being alongside financial goals leads to a more fulfilling and meaningful lif…
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"Your money troubles run deeper than you think," says Dr. Prince Sarpong. Explore the impact of "Black Tax" and the Ubuntu philosophy on financial culture. Learn how cultural expectations, enabling dynamics, and community connection influence financial decisions. Discover a fresh perspective on financial freedom that goes beyond just the numbers. A…
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Tired of focusing on negative financial behaviors? Discover a path to true financial well-being! This episode unveils the positive traits that define a healthy relationship with money, guiding you from "tranquility" to "compassion" and beyond. Navigate the financial landscape with more clarity and confidence, fostering a sense of stability and cont…
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Join LMFT Jillian Knight and Rick as they delve deeper into the dangers of rigid financial communities. Explore tactics like shame, guilt, and manipulation used to control members. Learn to recognize these red flags and protect yourself from harmful group dynamics, even if they appear helpful on the surface. A podcast that blends the nuts and bolts…
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Financial gurus promise riches, but can they trap you in shame and rigidity? Therapist Jillian Knight, LMFT, shares her personal story, revealing the red flags of extreme devotion and leader manipulation. Discover how this experience shaped her unique approach to financial freedom and empower yourself to make healthy choices. A podcast that blends …
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Imagine making a smart investment, then watching the market plunge. Panic sets in, your dream yacht vanishes, and "lost money" haunts you. This episode equips you to navigate emotional waves and make calmer financial decisions. Learn how to anchor your well-being and ride the market with confidence! A podcast that blends the nuts and bolts of finan…
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Dive deeper with Susan and Rick as they continue their captivating conversation. Explore how Susan's work with financial planners empowers financial therapists. They'll delve into the future, questioning the role of Artificial Intelligence and championing the power of Authentic Intelligence in both professions. Get ready for insightful perspectives…
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Buckle up for a thought-provoking ride with Susan Bradley and Rick! Decades of conversations, never recorded until now, unfold as they explore the groundbreaking intersection of financial transitions and financial therapy. Be surprised as they uncover hidden gems, sparking insights for financial planners and therapists alike. Join this spontaneous,…
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The real issue isn’t whether your financial advisor is a fiduciary, it’s whether they have a conflict of interest. Here is the sad truth. Most Americans believe they already receive objective, fiduciary advice. The overwhelming odds are that they don’t, especially if the advisor has a conflict of interest over how they are paid. Some data suggests …
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What money scripts has Rick never thought of, has he never covered in any of the books he’s authored? Surveys show that if the average American didn’t have these money scripts, they would do things differently. Every American has money scripts on this topic, and yet it isn’t a topic that is top on the list to discuss on date night, or any other nig…
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Embark on an insightful journey as we explore the nuanced emotions surrounding student loan forgiveness in this episode. Prompted by a recent inquiry from a talk-show host, Rick delves into the emotional terrain, especially for those who never carried student debt or did not qualify for forgiveness programs. What might it feel like for individuals …
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These 12 roadblocks can prevent you or your clients from listening effectively because they focus on the professional’s agenda rather than the client’s needs. They can also leave the listener on the defensive or feeling a plethora of emotions, which makes it very difficult to have a productive conversation. After listening to these 12 Roadblocks, y…
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Most professionals make their living giving advice. Many of us go to lawyers, doctors, therapists, accountants, and financial planners for their advice. Early in my career I was more than willing, even eager, to oblige dispensing advice, solicited or not. At the heart of seeking advice is when we may be contemplating making a change in the status q…
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“When you meet resistance, you are moving too fast.” This is a truism that I hold to when it comes to relationships, especially in my capacity as a financial therapist. The illusion is that people come to financial planners and therapists for financial advice. Financial professionals often assume that when they give advice that would seem an obviou…
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“Money conversations are hard; people refuse to talk about money.” We know that is true in the US, and it’s equally true in Africa. Join Rick in an interview with Peter Kwadwo Asare Nyarko, the Executive Director of the Centre for Financial Literacy Education Africa. In bringing his passion for financial wellbeing to Africa and building a successfu…
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At the height of the pandemic recession, a June 22, 2020, headline in The Capitalist.com caught my eye: “Dollar Will Plunge 35%, Lose Status as World Reserve Currency.” This was quoting Stephen Roach, a senior fellow at Yale University and the former chairman of Morgan Stanley Asia, someone who is well respected by his peers. As it turned out, he w…
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Needing long-term care (LTC) is largely not something that is an unknown. This issue isn’t “if,” it’s “when.” I was recently talking with a client about the difficulty in having instant options available when deciding to go into independent or assisted living. LTC facilities often have waiting lists that are months or years long. When you need a un…
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Learn how Tamala Floyd, Certified IFS Therapist and Lead Trainer, transitioned her life to become a full-time traveler at no additional cost to, or significant change in, her lifestyle. She explains the preparation, both financially and emotionally, that it took to embark on this grand adventure, which may surprise you as much as it did Rick! A pod…
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Are you and your spouse truly aligned when it comes to finances? Do you rarely experience conflicts about money? If so, you might have achieved financial intimacy in your relationship. Financial intimacy, however, goes beyond merely sharing financial information; it involves feeling safe and comfortable discussing any money-related topic with your …
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Positive thinking about money can be beneficial, but it can also be harmful if it leads us to suppress our emotions. Emotions like joy, gratitude, and love are crucial for making sound financial decisions. However, when we deny ourselves the opportunity to fully experience our emotions, it can negatively impact our mental and financial well-being. …
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In my experience as a financial professional, I've come to believe that "When you meet resistance, you are moving too fast." This principle holds true in relationships, especially in my role as a financial advisor and therapist. The common misconception is that people seek financial professionals solely for financial advice. Professionals often ass…
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In Charles Dickens' "A Tale of Two Cities," he expertly demonstrates that appearances can be deceiving. This theme extends beyond the novel and applies to various aspects of life, including the contrasting approaches to long-term care taken by two seemingly similar families. Both families share numerous similarities in terms of race, political part…
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How much money do you need to have to be considered rich or wealthy? The best answer is “it depends,” considering your definitions of rich and wealthy. Are they terms defined by one’s net worth, income, or overall wellbeing? Is the context local, national, or global? Depending on the definition, one could qualify as rich in one context and impoveri…
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With people living longer, I've noticed that my older clients, who are particularly aware of their declining physical capacities, are increasingly open to the idea of receiving in-home health care, can be expensive, and many seniors may struggle to afford all the in-home care they really need. One potential solution for seniors who require in-home …
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What is the Financial Therapy Association? Rick recently attended the 14th Financial Therapy Conference held in Charlotte, NC. He talks a little about the history of this relatively new organization and a few of his personal highlights of the many discussions he had with so many in attendance, both legends and first timers. He gives some insights a…
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“If my partner would change, we would resolve our conflict about when and where we should retire!” “My spouse doesn’t understand that I work hard for us!” These are common statements uttered in frustration about money and work conflicts. So, how do couples make their conversations constructive and create financial intimacy? Rick’s guest Deb Kaplan …
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One important thing to take along when you travel abroad is travel insurance. I needed to use mine on three international trips this year, one to London in January, one to Puerto Rico that I didn’t take in February, and one to Budapest in May. These are the only international trips I’ve taken since January 2020. Obviously, my post-pandemic travel i…
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Personal bankruptcy is not something I’ve addressed in the podcast, which surprises me given the approximately one million people a year who file for bankruptcy in the U.S. I’ll be the first to admit that listening to a podcast on insolvency or bankruptcy doesn’t relate to most of us, however by one source 25% of us are insolvent. The topic can be …
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“I don’t deserve money,” is one of the ten most common money scripts. Holding this belief has very little to do with whether society, friends, or family view you as deserving. Few people would argue that we all deserve the support money can give us to have nutritious food, safe and adequate shelter, and access to safe and reliable transportation. S…
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Rick and his guest, Deb Kaplan, introduce the term Cognitive Biases in this segment. They choose Confirmation Bias and Loss Aversion to explore how couples can resolve conflict by first understanding their own biases. This provides couples an opportunity to be curious about themselves and their partner’s perspective. Curiosity, compassion, and comp…
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You might think that you lack financial savvy and are doomed to make money mistakes. But even people who are good with money can slip up sometimes. One of the tricky things about poor financial choices is that they often go unnoticed or unacknowledged by the person who makes them. It might take a long time for them to realize the consequences of th…
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Vendors pushing investments like gold are selling more than gold, they are pushing fear, creating a sense of panic and anxiety within a person that they suggest can only be solved by buying gold. The problem is that they have a huge conflict of interest. If you don’t buy gold, they don’t eat. It’s in their interest that they motivate you to buy gol…
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Rick visits some notes he made in 2020 where he wondered about the possibilities of applying IFS, MDMA Assisted Therapy, and the use of groups to financial therapy. All of these are transformative in their own right, but what are the possibilities when combined with financial therapy? A podcast that blends the nuts and bolts of financial advice wit…
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Gambling, gaming, and hoarding for many can be an enjoyable endeavor. For some, it can become impulsive, compulsive or part of an unhealthy cycle. Rick and Deb Kaplan explore what beliefs and behaviors one might consider to assess whether healthy behaviors are problematic, compulsive or addictive. Rick steps into the client’s seat for an impromptu …
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What would you do with a million-dollar windfall? This question was the topic of a survey in a March 28, 2023, article by Jessica Whitehouse in onlinegambling.com, “This is how Americans would spend $1,000,000 in lottery winnings.” Before I read past the headline, I mentally answered, “Blow it!” However, 80% of the 500 respondents said they would d…
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“Rick, what is your money script?” I was a bit baffled and responded, “I have well over one hundred, I don’t have just one.” He responded, “No, there are only four and I was wondering which one is yours.” He clearly didn’t understand the concept of money scripts. In this episode we explore the origins of this myth and the myth that there is one sup…
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Join Rick for a conversation with Chaitali Shah, a financial coach with, Wealthron, Mumbai, India. Chaitali will talk about her transition from the finance industry where she has worked since the age of 21 and gained extensive experience in financial planning, investment management and taught financial economics, to becoming a pioneer in India in f…
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Compulsive behaviors are often due to an individual’s need to self-medicate unresolved wounds. Deb Kaplan and Rick Kahler explore the psychology of compulsive financial behaviors through the lens of Internal Family Systems (IFS). IFS focuses on a person's internal “parts” and “Self.” Partners can apply IFS to understand themselves and heal their co…
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K.I.S.S., Keep It Simple Stupid. It’s a catchy phrase, but what does it mean? What does simple mean. Does it mean to make complex topics understandable, or not to make a simple communication overly complex, or not to oversimplify complex topics? Oliver Wendell Holmes explained oversimplification this way, “For the simplicity on this side of complex…
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It doesn’t occur to most people to seriously consider the likelihood they may outlive their retirement income. It is often “blown off” with an attempt to laugh it off. It’s often one of those laughs that is more about anxiety that anything that’s actually funny. The greatest financial risk for depleting retirement resources is an unexpected and len…
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The media you consume is a significant factor, probably the most significant factor, in your investment returns. If you are one of the millions of Americans that choose to only consume media with a far left or far right ideology, it would be in your financial best-interest to be “down the middle” with your consumption of economic and investment new…
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Why is it so hard for many couples to talk about money? Rick’s guest, Debra Kaplan, dives into romantic relationships, some of the reasons that it becomes hard to discuss money and the ways that our childhood experiences influence our beliefs and behaviors about money. A podcast that blends the nuts and bolts of financial advice with the emotions t…
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How many times have you heard yourself or your partner repeat these statements; “I’m passionate about work, that’s why I work long hours!” or, “I won’t be home late?” In this episode, Rick and Deb take on the topic of workaholism other money behaviors, beginning with work and shifting to compulsive shopping/spending. They explain the difference bet…
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References to income and wealth inequality generally focus on how unevenly income and wealth are distributed throughout a population. The greater the gap between those at the top and the bottom, the more problematic it can be to the social health of a country. In a marriage or committed relationship, income and wealth inequality between partners al…
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Bringing alignment of your stated values with your money is something I’ve been promoting for over 20 years. They don’t always align. It’s not unusual for a person to embrace a value that is not fully embraced in their spending. A person who is concerned about climate change and a strong proponent of individuals, corporations, and governments to “g…
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In his state of the union address, President Biden announced he is “taking on junk fees” which are the hidden fees involved with many of the services we purchase. Hidden fees and terms have been around a long time. The old adage of, “Read the fine print,” is timeless advice. I love the quote by Pete Seeger, American folk singer, “Do you know the di…
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What can you and your children do to assure your financial plan won’t be sabotaged by family money scripts? There are a number of steps to take and all require dealing with you and your children's emotional vulnerabilities. Find out five specific steps that can guard against your financial plan going of the rails and sacrificing your emotional and …
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What is the biggest risk to a senior parent that has just lost their spouse? Even if they have a well-designed financial plan and the best financial planner possible in their corner, there is one factor that can deal them a knockout blow, their kids. Understand why your kids can pose one of the greatest threats to your final years. A podcast that b…
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Is investing in the stock market akin to gambling? Certainly, investing in stock markets carry a reasonable amount of risk. Unlike what some contend, that investing in the market is gambling, done correctly it is not remotely gambling. The operative word is “done correctly.” To understand this we need to understand the emotional differences between…
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